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Splits and lumps and names

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Subject: Splits and lumps and names
From: "Robert Inglis" <>
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 08:41:09 -0700
Hello Birding-Ausers,
 
Especially those who were prompted to respond to my query about the Easter Topend list,
notably: Bob Forsyth, Andrew Stafford, Lawrie Conole, Hugo Phillips, Timothy Nye Dolby and Denise Goodfellow.
 
Naturally I have a few comments to make on their responses but I will refrain from including copies of their comments in the interest of making this posting as short as possible.
 
Thank you to those who provided details of the species in question.
I had actually come to the same conclusions after consulting the 6th edition of 'Simpson and Day'.
This edition has the feature of having maps showing (in general terms, of course, due to the size of the maps) sub-species distributions.
I'm sure that The Directory of Australian Birds has more accurate maps but at this stage I think my money would be better spent on the Newhaven project.
The text of 6th S&D also provides a lot of good clues to potential 'splits'.
I wonder if this was taken into consideration by respondents to Lawrie's field guide survey?
 
Bob Forsyth's comments on the naming of the 'new' species 'Kalkadoon Grasswren' seem quite reasonable to me.
I think that any of the names he suggests would be far more suitable.
 
Incidentally, I am keen to see the flycatcher that looks like paperbark! :-)
(Why wasn't it called Dwarf Restless Flycatcher?)
 
I am still trying to un-boggle my mind after Lawrie's comment on the Australian Aborigine's knowledge of taxonomy and having adopted ultra-taxa before 'us'!
I must admit though, I really don't know what ultra-taxa is; is there a supa-taxa followed a mega-taxa followed by a maxa-taxa?
(Oops! I thunk I just over-taxa-ed me brain ...... derrrr! Where's the pain-killers?)
 
To continue......
Thankfully I found Denise Goodfellow's explanation of the Australian indigenous peoples' classification and knowledge of fauna far more coherent and understandable.
I am sure that the Australian Aborigines relied more on the physical appearance and habits of the creature for their 'classification' than the 'scientific' features that 'we' use. Also, I'm sure the knowledge of the elders about what's where is second to none.
But I doubt that they would have placed the Magpie-lark in the same 'family' as the Yellow-breasted Boatbill or the Spangled Drongo!
For my style of bird-watching I would prefer the 'physical' system.
It seems to me that the more 'scientific' approach is destined to decimate the membership of the 600 Club! ;-)
 
It is quite possible that I have misunderstood Lawrie's comment on Aboriginal taxonomy; Lawrie and I do think on quite different planes but his experience and knowledge on this subject is, without doubt, superior to mine. Give me time, Lawrie. I haven't thought about a lot of this before.
 
Hugo, I wait with bated (but not held) breath for the update to The Taxonomy and Species of Birds of Australia and its Territories.
 
Bob Inglis
Woody Point, SEQld
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