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Subject: Re: [ts-7000] RE: ts-7800 how do I make 4 (at least 2) identical network stacks?
From: Jason Stahls <>
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 10:19:28 -0500


Linux may work as a RTOS, but a RTOS it is not.  QNX has been doing RTOS and nothing but for over 20 years, hence "weird" things like this are actually easy to do in it :)  You can probably run QNX on the 8700 fairly easily with some help from TS.

Jason Stahls


On 11/6/2013 8:34 AM, Jonathan Leslie wrote:
yeah, that's a deal breaker.   I've got the whole interface to code up and handle, I need a quick selector switch between networks.   Looks like I'm gonna be sticking with the winsystems board as multi-IP stacks are simple with them.   The Sad part is I bet there is a simple solution with the TS-8700 as well, but I don't have months to work it out.   Customer wants a quote now for 48 units too. 




From: Walter Marvin m("ymail.com","walter.marvin");"><>
To: m("yahoogroups.com","ts-7000");">
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2013 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [ts-7000] RE: ts-7800 how do I make 4 (at least 2) identical network stacks?

 
A full TCP stack is not a trivial exercise, but you can steal most of the code, and eliminate most of it.Still, its a multi month project and much more work than IP routing solutions
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On Tue, 11/5/13, Jonathan Leslie m("yahoo.com","jleslie48");"><> wrote:

Subject: Re: [ts-7000] RE: ts-7800 how do I make 4 (at least 2) identical network stacks?
To: m("yahoogroups.com","ts-7000");">"" m("yahoogroups.com","ts-7000");"><>
Date: Tuesday, November 5, 2013, 5:09 PM
















 









LOL.  I only run
as root. what about this IP stack, what's the difference
if its running under userspace code or part of the OS?
 Seems like to me you are only changing who owns the
code.   So the ts-8700 has 4
NIC's???




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Subject:
[ts-7000] RE: ts-7800 how do I make 4 (at least 2) identical
network stacks?


 









You can use raw ethernet frames to communicate
over a specific NIC under Linux. However, this imposes the
requirement that any application using that method must run
with root privilege. It also means having to craft a
substantial portion of an already working IP stack in your
own userspace code. Not trivial.

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m("...","jleslie48");"><> wrote:

when you say raw
ethernet are you talking sockets connections or something
more "raw" than that?

From: Walter Marvin
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Sent: Tuesday, November
5, 2013 10:22 AM
Subject: Re:
[ts-7000] ts-7800 how do I make 4 (at least 2) identical
network stacks?


 









The same effect, however, can be done using raw
Ethernet on the receiving side

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On Mon, 11/4/13, Eric Robishaw m("...","eric");"><> wrote:



Subject: Re: [ts-7000] ts-7800 how do I make 4 (at least 2)
identical network stacks?

To: m("yahoogroups.com","ts-7000");">""
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Date: Monday, November 4, 2013, 9:08 PM

































 



















Maybe this is too simple... But why not just use

Udp broadcasting, let each device receive all the
messages

and filter out what they don't need.  No need
for

special routing, etc..



On Monday, November 4, 2013, Walter Marvin wrote:

































 



















The mac address can be easily found. The problem

here is that Linux won't accept the same sub network
on

two different interfaces and the IPs of the remote boxes

can't be changed. This has to be handled by routing

below the interface level, or raw Ethernet.









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On Mon, 11/4/13, Joseph Bouchard m("...","jbouchard");"><>
wrote:







Subject: Re: [ts-7000] RE: ts-7800 how do I make 4 (at
least

2) identical network stacks?



To: m("yahoogroups.com","ts-7000");">



Date: Monday, November 4, 2013, 5:39 PM



































































 







































Hi,















I've been following along in the background,
reading



about half of







what's been said, and understanding less, but I



haven't seen anyone







suggest this...















Can you use ARP to an advantage here? The normal way



I've used ARP is







when we have a terminal server which has not yet been



configured... you







arp the mac address to a hostname on your PC, then
connect



to the still







unconfigured box, and configure it. Your computer
knows

how



to find







that remote box by it's mac address, even if the

remote



box doesn't yet







know what it's IP address is yet. Can we do that

here?















Imagine this implementation... You have 4 boxes which
all



want to have







the same IP address, but they all have different MAC



addresses, which







I'll refer to MAC1, MAC2, etc. On your TS7800 you

have



a plain old







single interface eth0 with the address of your choice,
and

a



typical







socket listener. When a client connects, you accept(),

like



you







normally would. It's been years since I've
dealt



with the addr structs







the sockets use, but I'm thinking there is a way to

tie



a mac address to







the socket, or lacking that use arp. At that point
your



file descriptor







is working correctly and you don't care about IP



addresses, you are just







talking back and forth op that open socket.















Maybe I've missed some critical detail, but the
point

is



when you use







mac addresses, and/or hostnames, and you don't
worry



about addresses any







more.















Good luck,







Joe
























































































































































































































































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