Re: [ts-7000] Re: Using TS-7500 SBC to collect and transfer camera data over TCP/IP

[walter marvin <>]

Sir,

If you had read my previous posts you would see that what I propose is DMA to the Cavium, with the FPGA providing high speed timing and control. The entry point into the hardware would probably be a daughter board, replacing the processor main memory. My 30 years system software experience should make the required driver doable.

My cost arguments about standalone MP projects stand

Sir, I have answered your objections 3 times now. Please stop dumping on my posts

thanks

]Walter

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From: Mike Ingle <>
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Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [ts-7000] Re: Using TS-7500 SBC to collect and transfer camera data over TCP/IP

 

Actually, i have a lot of experience coming to group decisions about hardware.  Having used the ts7300 on a past project, I found that technologics decisions regarding cpu to fpga interface left much to be desired.  Have you looked at the ts7500 fpga interface?  I doubt that you can move data between the cpu and fpga at 25Mbytes/s.  and, there is no external buffer memory on the fpga, so only small internal buffers.  What value does the ts7500 have if all you want is the data in a host computer?  I say this as someone who generally prefers to work in embedded linux, and move data via ethernet.  I also have been working at high data rates (65-500Msamples/s 12-14 bit ADCs) for over 10years.  

To get the data into an embedded controllers memory would require external hardware on the TS-7500, if the interfaces will even get the data to a DMA engine that could move the data.  The onboard FPGA at first glance appears not to have adequate connectivity, but I could be convinced I am wrong.  The FPGA on the TS-7500 definitely lacks external buffer memory, which would be required if the cpu-fpga interface isn't up to the 25Mbytes/s.  

Data can be gotten into embedded controller memory using a "camera interfacce" found on some controllers.  There are obviously a lot of ways to do it,  but I have to ask why?  If manipulating the data in an embedded controller is required, then by all means get the data there.  If raw data at the host computer is required, then find the cheapest easiest way to get it there.  Every separate development task adds complexity,  So if you need to use an fpga to buffer the data anyway, then why add linux to the problem? 

Why?  One reason might be that it is an absolute requirement that the camera data come to the host over ethernet,  then you need to find a better solution than the ts7500, which I don't think is up to the task.  The beagle board xm  is.

Best regards  Mike

On Jul 31, 2011, at 8:27 AM, walter marvin wrote:

 

A Beagle board is twice the cost of the TS-7500, and you still have to develop drivers

Some high end microprocessor project is also a solution, but so is a pretty standard PC and data capture card.

These solutions have higher hardware cost and or development cost than adding Linux drivers to the TS-7500, aside for not really answering the original question. Some people will only accept their solution to a problem I guess.

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From: mike ingle <m("gmail.com","finndmike62");" target="_blank" href="">>
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Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [ts-7000] Re: Using TS-7500 SBC to collect and transfer camera data over TCP/IP

 

Assumption:  You must get your data into a host computer.

You could do it with the beagle board or beagle board xm.  The xm has onboard ethernet.  

You will have to program the capera port to dma into main memory.  the xm supports 148Mhz 12 bit camera interface.  

This would not be how I skinned this cat.  You will spend a lot of time on device drivers and a lot f very difficult to debug software.  I am sure I could do it this way though.  if I was building a product, and cost was a major issue, then using the ti omap 3530 would be under serious consideration, as the host and acquisition computer.

However if getting the data into host computer memory is my main goal, then I would go with:

 

http://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?Prod=NEXYS2

It comes with the necessary libraries to move the data over USB to the host, and has the needed buffer memory on the FPGA side.  

Basically, I would divide my SDRAM into "n" buffers each holding 1 frame of data, I would then create a simple state machine to move a buffer at a time over usb to the host.  They provide windows libraries to access the usb data.  Most of you work would be in FPGA space.  it isn't that hard, and there are examples around.

Regards Mike

On Jul 30, 2011, at 2:16 PM, walter marvin wrote:

 

summary of methods that would work:

1) external hardware that would capture, say a 25 MB frame

2) TS7500 dma kernel based driver supported with FPGA modifications

3) Upgrade to a much more expensive Embedded Linux product supporting a buss based data collection card, and Linux Dma driver

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From: mtrav100 <m("gmail.com","mtravis100");" target="_blank" href="">>
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Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:34 PM
Subject: [ts-7000] Re: Using TS-7500 SBC to collect and transfer camera data over TCP/IP

 

Maybe I should re-phrase my question. I need to input 8 bits of data at 25 MHz and transfer it from the SBC to an external computer. The data will be input from a 8 way ribbon cable. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might be the best way to achieve this?

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