Interesting timing for this report because I was reading about a similar su=
bject in a summary article. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC33=
67684/) The material I was interested in was the use of syntax in song and/=
or other communications.
Several studies were cited in the section about birds learning the patterns=
created by the researchers. The conclusions were very contentious concerni=
ng what different results meant. Investigators duplicated some studies and =
found different results that refuted the original research. Most animals ca=
n discriminate sounds. When all the learned opinions were weighed, the summ=
ary article's author (ten Cate) mentioned that comparison using rote memory=
could not be ruled out. More expansive reasoning supported the complicated=
explanations. Such "selective" thinking violates Morgan's Canon, which ind=
icates the simplest explanation for an animal's behavior is generally the b=
est explanation.
One of the weak spots in the research of syntax in birdsong is the methodol=
ogy employed. First, it generally did not directly attempt to understand th=
e meaning for song elements that show the bird's to possess syntax in their=
native utterances. Next, the idea of training a bird to recognize an artif=
icial sound and then testing it with a go--no-go technique seems limiting. =
The meaning of what the training induces in the birds as a result of artifi=
cial sequences is unknown, because they haven't brought subjects to MEG or =
CAT scan machines for investigation.
While not categorized as songbirds, parrots sing complicated songs known as=
duets. I address the problem of syntax from a different direction in my st=
udies of free speech by a talking bird. For a parrot, English is simply a s=
econd language. I have evidence of a parrot learning the syntax of English =
discourse. Working backward from a free-speaking parrot, if a parrot can le=
arn elements of English syntax from listening to human speakers (not drille=
d and trained like the birds in the studies), can we infer that birds are l=
ikely to have syntax in their first language?
Is there something wrong with the concept of working from one language back=
to the other?
MikeFlorida
spectral shape vs pitch
Wed Jan=A020,=A02016 12:51=A0pm (PST) . Posted by:
"David Leveille" camforum
* Melodic recognition in songbirds
Researchers report that starlings trained to recognize short tone sequences=
did not recognize the same sequences when the pitches of all tones were un=
iformly shifted from the training sequence, or when the tones were played a=
t the same pitch with an unfamiliar timbre, but that the birds could recogn=
ize sequences that preserved the spectral shape of the tones even in the ab=
sence of pitch.
Article #15-15380: =93Songbirds use spectral shape, not pitch, for sound pa=
ttern recognition,=94 by Micah R. Bregman, Aniruddh D. Patel, and Timothy Q=
. Gentner.
MEDIA CONTACT: Timothy Q. Gentner, University of California, San Diego, La =
Jolla, CA; tel: 858-822-6763, 858-736-7301; e-mail: <<mail=
to:>>
http://www.eurekalert.org/jrnls/pnas/15-15380.htm
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spectral shape vs pitch
Wed Jan=A020,=A02016 12:51=A0pm (PST) . Posted by:
"David Leveille" camforum
* Melodic recognition in songbirds
Researchers report that starlings trained to recognize short tone sequences=
did not recognize the same sequences when the pitches of all tones were un=
iformly shifted from the training sequence, or when the tones were played a=
t the same pitch with an unfamiliar timbre, but that the birds could recogn=
ize sequences that preserved the spectral shape of the tones even in the ab=
sence of pitch.
Article #15-15380: =93Songbirds use spectral shape, not pitch, for sound pa=
ttern recognition,=94 by Micah R. Bregman, Aniruddh D. Patel, and Timothy Q=
. Gentner.
MEDIA CONTACT: Timothy Q. Gentner, University of California, San Diego, La =
Jolla, CA; tel: 858-822-6763, 858-736-7301; e-mail: <<mail=
to:>>
http://www.eurekalert.org/jrnls/pnas/15-15380.htm
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Re: spectral shape vs pitch
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This sounds (pun!) interesting. Sadly, though, the paper appears to re=
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a valid userid and password in order to access it.
Ray
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 3:51 PM, David Leveille
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> Researchers report that starlings trained to recognize short tone
> sequences did not recognize the same sequences when the pitches of all
> tones were uniformly shifted from the training sequence, or when the tone=
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> were played at the same pitch with an unfamiliar timbre, but that the bir=
ds
> could recognize sequences that preserved the spectral shape of the tones
> even in the absence of pitch.
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> Article #15-15380: =93Songbirds use spectral shape, not pitch, for sound
> pattern recognition,=94 by Micah R. Bregman, Aniruddh D. Patel, and Timot=
hy
> Q. Gentner.
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Re: Soundfield SPS200
Wed Jan=A020,=A02016 11:20=A0pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Eric Fassbender" eric.fassbender
Yes, it is an ambisonic mic. I=92m just hoping that the sound quality =
is going to be better than the SPS200 :)
Cheers,
Eric
> On 17 Jan 2016, at 14:14, Flawn Williams [naturerecordists]=
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> It will be interesting to see more information on this new Sennheiser pro=
duct line. They have all sorts of new names for the system and the technolo=
gy, but the mic array shown in the press materials looks just like an Ambis=
onic/Soundfield four-capsule array.
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> > Date: Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:24 am ((PST))
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> > Hi Scott,
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> > Thanks for the feedback. I think I might wait for the Sennheiser VR mic=
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