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Re: Preamp for PIP mics

Subject: Re: Preamp for PIP mics
From: "Norman Davies" nrdavies.jim71
Date: Tue Dec 8, 2015 7:20 pm ((PST))
hi, some "PIP" recoders provide more than 3v. The Sony D100 provides 5v. A =
few others do too, but I'm not familar with the others. Someone else might =
comment on those.
As for a staging amp between a mic and a recorder mic input, if I were you,=
 I'd skip the recorder's mic input ( going by my rough gist of where you ar=
e coming from, here ) and get a sweet sounding preamp that outputs a roughl=
y line level signal into the line input of your little recorder.
norman.


    On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 12:38 AM, "D Secomb =
u [naturerecordists]" <> wrote:


 =A0    Hi Eric
 Yes the preamp is between the mic and the recorder which normally supplies=
 PIP for the mic but with the preamp which one supplies the power. A boost =
from mic to recorder is what I desire. Does the batery box you describe doe=
s the. Does the EM172 handle 12v very well?
 David

 On 9/12/2015 8:12 AM, Eric Benjamin  [naturerecordists] w=
rote:
 
 =A0  
|  I think that we need more information. Do you intend this preamp to go b=
etween the PIP microphone and an existing PIP input?

 PIP has some fundamental limitations. It is basically defined by a 3 Volt =
supply and a 2k pullup resistor. The resistor gives rise to a minimum noise=
 floor, and the 3 V supply limits the maximum voltage to about 1 V rms. If =
those  were the only limitations then the performance could be very good. A=
 so called battery box helps by allowing a higher battery voltage and perha=
ps a higher value pullup resistor. As an example, the Primo EM172 is spec'd=
 at -28 dBV/Pa  and 80 dB SNR and 122 dB SPL maximum acoustic level. But th=
at is with a 5V supply and a 3.9 k resistor. With 3V and 2k all of those sp=
ecs will degrade slightly.

 You could build a battery box with those values and get the specified perf=
ormance from the mic capsule. But there will still be a limitation on the m=
aximum signal that can be accepted by the preamp in the recorder. That is, =
the preamp will clip. If you only want to record quiet sounds, then the ove=
rload will probably not occur.

 To do a complete job on the interface design we need more info on your mic=
rophones and recorder.  |

   
From:  D Secomb  [naturerecordists] <naturerecord=
>;
  To:  <>;
  Subject:  [Nature Recordists] Preamp for PIP mics
  Sent:  Tue, Dec 8, 2015 11:08:22 PM
 

|  =A0    Hi all
 I have been toying with the idea of a preamp to go with a Sony and
 Telinga EM23 setup but having a lot of trouble finding any that are
 suitable for PIP 3.5mm gear, all phantom XLR types. Any suggestions.
 Cheers
 David

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