When I am photographing, I am a purist. I compose in camera.
When I am filming, I pick up different sequences and then weave them
together to create a story. Some sounds need enhancement. For eg I was
filming in the midst of a massive storm and the scene had become complete
dark. However, in the midst of the lightnings and hailstorm, I could not
record double sound. The microphone in the camera obviously was not enough.
In such situations, the scene would need some sound to be added. Does the
viewer care?
During my childhood days, I used to call like a cuckoo and the cuckoo used
to call back and result in a slanging match till the outraged cuckoo
decides to be silent. I can't say whether the cuckoo was thinking that I am
a competitor or whether it was simply irritated by my call. In India, there
were hunters who could call like a tiger and the tiger used to come close
expecting a mate. If a nature recording can elicit such a response, then I
would say that is a good nature recording. Whether the original recorded
sound is coloured due to a telinga or pushed and pulled in a software or
something else doesn't matter. The effect on the enduser or subject is
important.
Cheers,
Sabyasachi
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 8:23 PM, grummyaa <> wrote:
> **
>
>
> I know I'm the odd man out, but words on a page will never come even clos=
e
> emotionally for me to what sound is capable of. Especially if you conside=
r
> my fianc=E9 is a writer. I understand how important the written word is, =
not
> dissing it at all. That's what I'm using right now, but for me it just
> doesn't do it. I have yet to have a piece of writing bring me to tears th=
e
> way a piece of music or beautiful recording is capable of. I fully
> understand that I'm the opposite of the norm there though. I find the
> written word pretty useful when I'm learning how to use something. I
> appreciate poetry and artistic use of language but to me the same words c=
an
> have different meaning or feeling based on how it is read. For example th=
e
> same lyrics sung from different performers can either be moving or make m=
e
> skip to the next track.
>
> Not knowing what a bunting sounds like (perhaps I'd recognize if I heard)=
,
> saying it sounds like "drops of water in sunlight" is a beautiful poetic
> image, but after reading that phrase I still don't have a clue what it
> sounds like my self. It is nice to know that whatever it sounds like is
> very beautiful to Mr. Hudson. There is value in that knowledge in that no=
w
> I'd like to hear for myself what was he found so moving. As I would like =
to
> experience it also. But as far as actually sharing with me what a bunting
> sounds like I'm no closer to it. I got a better description of the
> potential surroundings of where he might have heard the bunting than the
> actual sound it's self. That said, if I heard a close recording of one in=
a
> treated studio or chamber I may enjoy his description more than what I he=
ar
> in a dry close recording of the animal. For me his poetic image reminds m=
e
> of how lovely sound sights and smells can be in nature. But in order to
> share with me that particular sound of the bunting in it's natural habita=
t
> he would need to start getting more scientific and specific with his
> wording and less poetic. Then it becomes informative to the sound of the
> bird but also starts to feel more cold and analytical. where as an nice
> audio recording could do it all. It could be incredibly detailed yet
> magnificently poetic and beautiful.
>
> Don't mean to step on toes or insult anyone. I'm pretty sure this is a
> flaw in myself. My fianc=E9 and many others I love and respect are fully
> entertained by writing and books. They just don't seem to cut it for me. =
I
> honestly wish they could, but they can't take me FULLY to another time an=
d
> space to the same degree sound can. I love what sound can do for me. I on=
ly
> wish words on a page could do as much, perhaps I should read more and try
> harder but I honestly would rather listen record and play.
>
> --- In umashankar <> wrote=
:
> >
> > the last fifteen years, when I teach students sound recording, I tell
> them sound recording was not invented 100 or 120 years ago. writing is th=
e
> earliest form of sound recording. it records only a small range of the
> sounds we hear, but it is the most important (or meaningful)
> >
> > umashankar
> >
> >
> >
> > >________________________________
> > > From: Tony Whitehead <>
>
> > >To:
> > >Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 12:02 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] What is a good nature sound recording=
?
> > >
> > >Yes ... and I enjoy sound recording ...
> > >
> > >... but sounds can be shared just as well through words. A good
> recording
> > >does't have to be audio?
> > >
> > >Here for example is W H Hudson's 1900 recording of a corn bunting
> singing
> > >(in "Nature in Downland")
> > >
> > >"The common bunting's little outburst of confused or splintered notes,
> is
> > >when heard (by me) at the same time mentally seen as a handful of clea=
r
> > >water thrown up and breaking into sparkling drops in the sunlight."
> > >
> > >just a thought
> > >
> > >Tony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 12:42 AM, Klas Strandberg <> wrote:
> > >
> > >> **
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Isn't that wonderful, Tony?
> > >> And, may I add, with the same headphones being able to hear it again=
,
> > >> years later? And for others to share?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks Bernie.
> > >> I needed that. (Even if it can be one of those wonderful American
> > >> ironies which I never will understand, before it's too late...:-))
> > >>
> > >> Klas.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -04, you wrote:
> > >> >I sometimes wonder if the reason I record is to give me a reason to
> > >> listen.
> > >> >
> > >> >I know I shouldn't need a reason but, for example, today I recorded
> the
> > >> >quiet interior of a rural English church.
> > >> >
> > >> >As I let the recording progress inside, I sat outside and simply
> listened.
> > >> >I heard the blackbird's evening chorus. I heard redwings and
> fieldfare
> > >> >overhead, fresh in from the east. I heard the distant rumble of mai=
n
> road
> > >> >linking Exeter to Plymouth. I heard dogs bark and footsteps. Cows,
> crows
> > >> >and jays. I listened as the breeze picked up and moved slender
> baldes of
> > >> >grass between gravestones. And the rustle of leaves and the rain on
> my
> > >> >jacket. And dusk spread.
> > >> >
> > >> >It almost doesn't matter what I recorded (30 mins of near silence)
> ... it
> > >> >was a good recording for me.
> > >> >
> > >> >Tony
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Bernie Krause <
>
> > >> >wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > **
> > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Hear! Hear!, Klas. Great observation.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Bernie
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Nov 3, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Klas Strandberg wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Dan, Bernie and all
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > For 40 years I have been promoting the use of parabols, well
> aware of
> > >> > > > that parabols twist "reality" and create illusions. I have bee=
n
> > >> > > > fighting a war against "purists", telling me what a terrible
> person
> > >> > > > I was.
> > >> > > > But "we" won that war, Dan, Bernie and all. And myself. It
> ended 20
> > >> > > > years ago.
> > >> > > > Today I hear no voices at all, not anywhere, being "purist"
> about
> > >> > > > flat frequency curves or non-editing or anything like it.
> > >> > > > "Every recording is an illusion".
> > >> > > > Yeah? Who claims differently nowadays? Where is this massive
> global
> > >> > > > commercial sound production industry, aiming for "purity" and
> > >> > > > forbidding us poor nature sound recordists to switch a filter
> "on"?
> > >> > > > I don't see the threat.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I do see, however, a need for "quality" discussions.
> > >> > > > I like words like "sonels" and "splashing," because such words
> give
> > >> > > > us ways to describe the quality of a recording. I would like a
> long
> > >> > > > list of such new words together with sound examples.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Why is that considered so wrong?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Klas.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > At 16:59 2012-11-03, you wrote:
> > >> > > >>> If all the above sounds like "manipulation", that started
> with the
> > >> > > >>> choice, placement and aiming of mics, recording level, and
> > >> decinding
> > >> > > >>> when to push the record button.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> Ansel Adams made a lot of adjustments in his negatives when h=
e
> > >> > > >> printed them.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >>> I've got weeks of rubbish recordings, but the ones that go
> out are
> > >> > > >>> those which, to my mind, represent the wildlife in this area=
.
> It is
> > >> > > >>> the end result which matters.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> It's an art of illusion.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >>> BTW I've just put a stereo file on Soundcloud asking what is
> wrong
> > >> > > >>> with it:
> > >> > > >>> http://soundcloud.com/stowford/wren-and-stream-stereo-check
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> Out of phase?
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> -Dan
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> ------------------------------------
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> > >> > > >> sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via
> Bernie
> > >> > > >> Krause.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > > Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> > >> > > > S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> > >> > > > Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> > >> > > > email:
>
> > >> > > > website: www.telinga.com
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > ------------------------------------
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> > >> > > > sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via
> Bernie
> > >> > > > Krause.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Wild Sanctuary
> > >> > > POB 536
> > >> > > Glen Ellen, CA 95442
> > >> > > 707-996-6677
> > >> > > http://www.wildsanctuary.com/
> > >> > >
>
> > >> > > Google Earth zooms: http://earth.wildsanctuary.com/
> > >> > > SKYPE: biophony
> > >> > > FaceBook:
> > >> > > http://www.facebook.com/TheGreatAnimalOrchestra
> > >> > > http://www.facebook.com/BernieKrauseAuthor
> > >> > > Twitter:
> > >> > > http://www.twitter.com/berniekrause
> > >> > > YouTube:
> > >> > > https://www.youtube.com/BernieKrauseTV
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >------------------------------------
> > >> >
> > >> >"While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> > >> >sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
> Krause.
> > >> >
> > >> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> Telinga Microphones, Botarbo,
> > >> S-748 96 Tobo, Sweden.
> > >> Phone & fax int + 295 310 01
> > >> email:
>
> > >> website: www.telinga.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------------
> > >
> > >"While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> > >sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
> Krause.
> > >
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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