it is worth thinking of devices as microphones with built in recorders, rat=
her than recorders with built in microphones. the nagra ares, as far as i k=
now,=A0 tried to do this. i wish more would, and at much lower=A0price poin=
even record level is not needed, just three sensitivity positions. headphon=
es and simple monitoring for levels. removable sd cards means not even a us=
b connector is needed. just space for some batteries.
> From: "" <>
>Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 4:04 PM
>Subject: [Nature Recordists] Re: Sony M10, D50, Olympus LS7, Roland R05 Zo=
om H1: internal mics comparison.
>for a quick and practical test, the easiest thing to obtain a simultaneous=
comparison was to test the performance of the internal microphones. Furthe=
rmore, I believe that with the advent of digital recorders with solid state=
memory, lacking any mechanical moving parts that still had a negative poin=
t with the first digital recorders (such as DAT, MiniDisc, DCC), the use of=
internal microphones may be of some importance, not only in emergency situ=
ations such as "point and shoot".
>To test external electret microphone simultaneously with all 5 recorders, =
I should have as many microphone capsules. Over the next weeks I might try =
connecting to each recorder a single electret microphone capsule, such as t=
he discussed here in list Primo EM172 which, as reported in previous posts,=
seems to be contained within the Sony M10.
>About the rating list that you did, I have more or less your opinion about=
the order, though I have some doubt for the last two positions, if Zoom H1=
or Roland R05, although the latter has a background noise near the limit o=
f acceptability. I own two R05 units (I bought one as new for very little m=
oney on Ebay, 50 US dollars!), and both behave the same background noise.
>BTW, currently the recorder that I use with greater frequency and satisfac=
tion in conjunction with external electret microphones is Roland R05!
>--- In vickipowys <> wrote=
>> That was a very interesting test, but with little or no response from=A0=
>> this group, what a shame.
>> It is one thing to read the noise figures for recorders and mics, but=A0=
>> to have a hands-on demo is very worthwhile.=A0 I also downloaded the=A0=
>> sound clip and had a good look in the spectrogram feature of Izotope RX.
>> Your demo only compares the built-in microphones, but if anyone is=A0
>> wanting to use only this feature then my order of preference is:
>> 1. Sony M10
>> 2. Sony D50
>> 3. Olympus LS7 (the LS10 may be better than the LS7?)
>> 4. Zoom H1
>> 5. Roland R05
>> I would be very interested to hear a comparison of the same recorders=A0=
>> when using external electret mics and plug-in-power (PIP).
>> Vicki Powys
>> On 14/06/2012, at 7:02 AM, wrote:
>> > I performed a test of some of my recorders (Sony M10, D50, Olympus=A0=
>> > LS7, Roland R05 Zoom H1) to compare their internal mics on a=A0
>> > passerine bird singer, the Blackcap, very widespread here in Europe.
>> > A simultaneous recording was obtained with all five recorders; the=A0=
>> > levels were set to have almost the same level on all recorders;=A0
>> > fine tuning of levels in post production was required only for the=A0=
>> > Roland R05 (+3db) and the Zoom H1 (+6db).
>> > The Olympus Ls 7 was enabled for all its three microphones (the two=A0=
>> > side cardioids and the central one omnidirectional).
>> > Here the youtube link to the Movie file
>> > http://youtu.be/o3HCdmTujAU
>> > and here the Soundcloud link to the WAV file http://soundcloud.com/
>> > marco-pesente/blackcap-m10-d50-ls7-r05-h1
>> > Marco Pesente
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