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Re: SD702 vs Tascam DR680 Blind Test

Subject: Re: SD702 vs Tascam DR680 Blind Test
From: "Paul Jacobson" thebrunswicktwitcher
Date: Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:33 pm ((PDT))
On 20/08/2010, at 5:29 PM, Rob Danielson wrote:

> Hi Paul--
>
> I do understand that gain measurement isn't as easy as one might
> suspect and that the manuf. supplied specs are often lacking
> sufficient criteria. 50 dB max gain for the 7XX's sounds very low
> based on comparisons with SD pres rated at 66dB and other pres I use
> regularly rated at 60dB of gain. The SD7XX is hotter than both. It
> would be good to get some reliable numbers, but it doesn't impact my
> test outcomes.


Hi Rob,

Gain measurements just require the right test gear. Connect a signal source=
 to the mic input, increase the level of the test signal until you just hit=
 0dBFS or clipping, then measure the  level of the test signal with a true =
rms multimeter or an oscilloscope.  The measured voltage of the test signal=
 is converted to dBU, and this gives you the gain measurement.

Both Raimund's measurements  and the Sound Devices specs point to a similar=
 maximum gain for the SD 7-Series, so it would seem that the discrepancy ha=
s it's roots in the comparative assessment, and  the logical thing to do wo=
uld be look for the source of this discrepancy.

The MixPre has a "headline" maximum gain of 66dB but this only applies to t=
he balanced line output connected to a balanced input. If connected  line-o=
ut  -> unbalanced this drops to 60dB gain, and connected via tape out maxim=
um gain is 56dB.  The SD 7-series has a line input which has a maximum gain=
 of -6 to 18dB to -20dBFS, which means when referenced to 0dBFS the gain is=
 -26dB to -2dB - so effectively provides attenuation only.  If you have the=
 MP-2 hooked up to a SD 7-series recorder at maximum gain on both devices y=
ou'd see a total of 64dB gain. If you set the gain on the SD recorder line =
input to 0dB you'll be attenuating the MixPre by 20dB, resulting in an over=
all gain of 44dB. At this setting the MixPre would appear to have about 4dB=
 less gain than the SD744.  Same principle applies to any preamp/mixer run =
via a line-in.

cheers
Paul










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