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Subject: Re: from metadata to archiving (was Some prescient words from Murray
From: "Rob Danielson" danielson_audio
Date: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:31 pm ((PDT))
Hi Wil-
It is fun to imagine features like the automatic tags we are getting 
used to being expanded-upon. I'm trying to get a handle on the the 
programming that has to be done in reverse.  The "consolidation" app 
(for logging/editng/mxing/data-exporting) has to meet the database's 
needs and then the "consolidation" app can be optimized to handle 
b-wavs, other formats and incorporating new data.

Others on this list know a lot about metadata and programming. Reaper 
isn't too shoddy at using b-wavs right now. I think a good number of 
hardware manufacturers and software programmers are ignoring 
industry-specified chunk designations.  No matter, we'll still have 
to accommodate exceptions for people to be happy. At this stage, I'm 
assuming that converting/editing apps will be needed to get some 
files ready for the "consolidation" app  and that they don't have to 
be expensive.  Rob D.


At 12:55 PM -0400 4/21/10, Wil Hershberger wrote:
>
>Yes, Rob, that makes perfect sense. It would be great to have an app that
>would work something like BreezeBrowsers downloader pro and would be cross
>platform. There are a few applications that will allow for metadata editing
>but they are hugely expensive.
>
>Most of the recorders are saving Broadcast wav files. With this set
>structure there certainly must be a way to access all of the bext chunk data
>slots in an easy and inexpensive way.
>
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>Subject: Re: [Nature Recordists] from metadata to archiving (was Some
>prescient words from Murray Schafer
>
>At 5:21 PM +1000 4/21/10, Paul Jacobson wrote:
>>
>>On 21/04/2010, at 10:34 AM, Dan Dugan wrote:
>>
>>>  Cameras are leading the way with metadata. A photo file from my
>>>Canon Digital Rebel comes with at least 18 items of metadata
>>>embedded--not only date and time, but lens type, exposure values,
>>>etc. My iPhone photos come with GPS coordinates. Unfortunately,
>>>there is less demand (no mass market?) for audio recorders
>>>including metadata.
>>
>>Hi Dan,
>>
>>iXML looks promising in this regard. see:
>><<http://www.ixml.info/>http://www.ixml.info/><http://www.ixml.info/>http://www.ixml.info/
>>
>>The "Notes" keyword allows free form text to be entered and is
>>probably the most useful section for entering information about
>>location, rig, etc. Sound Devices have support for this in v2.0+
>>firmware.
>>
>>Support is becoming increasingly widespread and is slightly more
>>extensive than the compatibility list would indicate. For example
>>Soundminer and Wave Editor include iXML metadata editing
>>capabilities and I noticed that the tascam HD-P82, and Sonosax
>>recorders ( SX-R4 and MiniR82 ) include iXML metadata support. The
>>hardware supporting iXML tends to confirm your observation that
>>audio metadata is aimed squarely at the pro end of the market,
>>rather than mass market.
>>
>>The GPS_COORDINATES custom keyword has been registered but
>>unfortunately there is no indication of which developer intends to
>>implement this.
>>
>>cheers
>>Paul
>>
>
>Hi Paul, Dan, Charles et al--
>
>I'm very interested in these issues.
>
>Prompted by the insights of Ian Rawes, who works at the British
>Library Sound Archive, I'm imagining a software approach that would
>effectively make a recordist into an "archivist" every time he/she
>logs a recording (in recognition that there are many boxes of tapes,
>discs and hard drives at museums and historical societies waiting for
>archivists to dive into,..)
>
>Heres one, possible way to see the software as "auto-archiving:"
>
>Lets say we have a recorder that grabs GPS and time and sets aside
>chunks for additional data. (Not essential, but the system would
>accommodate this).
>
>Lets say there's a free or cheap, cross-platform sound editing/mixing
>app** (not just logging or library app) that accepts
>recorder-produced data and allows one to add notes, photos, sync'd
>weather info, species and other key data AS ONE LOGS and creates
>short audio excerpts. (One can use the same app to create rich
>records from field recordings with out metadata initially).
>
>Lets say the same editor will export all of this app-consolidated
>data in format "X." (Possibly, xml with links to the media and all
>other indexed data).
>
>Next, one needs a free or very cheap cross-platform database
>application to import data "X" and create RECORDS or pages that
>display this info in an organized format with links to the media and
>robust relational searching. It also enables one to update and
>correct records and add more categories both temporarily and
>permanently.
>
>It seems to me that if we work backwards from the Database, one can
>make a powerful, personal library that one has the option to place
>on-line and be linked with others of similar ilk. The same system
>could retain/link commercial interests and/or non profit interests.
>
>**Reaper (cross-platform $50) will import metadata and allow one to
>add notes and export excel compatible log sheets. One of the
>Extension developers for Reaper lives here in Wisconsin, but he needs
>to know what database the info is going into,..
>
>Obviously, I'm favoring a system that a beginning recordist can use
>with little expense and with community support so the numbers of
>users can grow and abilities maintained over time. Make sense to
>anyone? Rob D.
>
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