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Date: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:37 pm ((PDT))
I am very pleased with this theme and discussion here. I am portuguese ( ba=
d english) and I am interested in music, nature recordings, bird watching a=
nd bird identification by sounds vocalizations and songs and as I like to k=
now the sounds I like th know the stars in the silence of the night as amat=
eur astronomer.
I am professor of phylosophy and I must said that if you know the bird=
s by the sound, and all the real world around you during the recording you =
must distinguish the two things: the knowledge have many names...when I kno=
w by estethics I don't know by science I must have the two, however, it is =
inportant to distingish the two things I could't concentrate in the two thi=
ngs at the same time in the same perspective, definitely they are not conce=
ntric, the road to one makes the distance to the other, estethics and scien=
ce are like that, of corse you can make the two roads and it makes your wor=
ld bigger and better.
I am tired of the said " visual civilization" as I am tired of the meca=
nical noise and apreciate the silence and the "soundscapes". It is importan=
t to know that mathmatics (base of science) literature and phylosophy are n=
ot visual it's more like music,sound and silence. Very instrutive discussio=
n here, thank you.
--- In Bernie Krause <> wrote:
>
> Again, Schafer is imploring all of us to be better listeners. That's
> all, Shirane. Nothing to feel disparaged about. We're all just
> learning what the questions are.
>
>
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Shirane Sanzan wrote:
>
> > Paradoxically, I felt both disparaged and vindicated by Schafer's
> > comments.
> >
> > Disparaged in that, even though Schafer may not have been addressing =
> > beginning field recordists, people like me who cannot identify every =
> > creature in an area I have recorded are, at least for the time
> > being, just "idiots" or a mere "tourists" in the soundscape. Yet
> > field recording has allowed me to listen in a way that was not
> > possible without recording equipment. I'd like to think this an
> > important first step.
> >
> > Vindicated in that my ears have also been opened in unexpected
> > ways. For instance, there is a state park I often frequent. I have =
> > made a few recordings there as exercises to help me listen. There
> > is also a visitor center with a small audio-visual exhibit that I
> > have looked at many times. But I had never really _listened_ to the =
> > exhibit until recently. That is when I noticed the sound of running =
> > water like a stream being played over the speakers. I stopped,
> > turned to the park ranger sitting behind the counter, and asked
> > where the audio had been recorded. He said he wasn't sure. So I
> > told him I didn't think the audio was from this particular state
> > park, because nowhere can you hear running water like that in this
> > park and because some of the birds sounded more "exotic" to me than =
> > what I have heard in the park. I later was told that the audio was =
> > a composite CD made from all of Colorado's state parks. So
> > apparently, for
> > some people (and particularly those responsible for creating some of =
> > our state park visitor center audio-visual exhibits), one biophony
> > is as good as another....
> >
> > -Shirane
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> > sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie
> > Krause
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
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