This is anecdotal - I don't have tests, just "a feeling." BUT...
I had an early model Edirol R-09, and liked it - but it finally
succumbed to my rough-and-tumble recording style. So I got an Olympus
LS-10... and although I agree that the Edirol isn't built as well
(hey, I busted mine!) I am missing something in my LS-10 recordings -
a sense of space, or "air." I record at high sample rates, and try
all kinds of settings, but I still miss something in my recordings.
This is subjective, mind you - I have no scientific proof to back up
my claim. But if I could meld the design of the LS-10 with the sound
of the Edirol, I'd be happy.
- H
>
>
> The LS-10 seems to have bass roll-off when recording via the mic
> input as a default.
>
> Leonard Lombardo of Sonic Studios mentions this in his review from
> 2008:
>
> http://www.sonicstudios.com/ls10revw.htm
>
> I've noticed the difference between it and the Edirol R09-HR (also,
> the LS-10 has very low line-in sensitivity) and prefer to use the
> Edirol, even though its build quality is nowhere near as good.
>
> Ian
>
> - -
>
> London Sound Survey http://www.soundsurvey.org.uk
>
> Supporting Deafness Research UK http://www.deafnessresearch.org.uk
>
> --- In "Mike Rooke" <> wrote:
> >
> > Ive found the LS10's low end response is'nt as good as the Sony
> D50. Might be an idea to test them with another recorder? - For
> sure the response of that particular capsule if its from the same
> family Im using is well below 10 Hz.
> >
> > Nice to hear the examples.
> >
> > BR
> > Mike.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In "walunit" <walunit@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > I received a set of Klas's new Telinga Clip-On omnis yesterday
> and tried a few experiments and compared a couple of configurations
> with my MKH M-S rig. Pardon the long post.
> > >
> > > First, I make no technical conclusions from these tests. I'm
> posting in the hopes that this is useful to the more technically
> inclined. Second, and on a more subjective note, these do not sound
> like "little" mics to me. I am pretty amazed at the Telinga + LS-10
> combo. I was seeking a reasonably priced, portable way to get into
> a fresh perspective in my soundscape recordings. With these omnis I
> can now start to experiment with various boundary techniques, etc.
> They sound great to my ears! I plan to take both rigs to the ocean
> next week and can share some more comparisons, etc., from that trip.
> > >
> > > Notes:
> > > The two setups are:
> > > 1) Olympus LS-10 + Telinga Clip-Ons
> > > 2) SD 722 + Sennheiser MKH 30/40 M-S mic setup
> > >
> > > All files were recorded 44.1 kHz and 24-bit. Both systems were
> set "flat" except whatever intrinsic filtering they may contain.
> The samples are all encoded to 256 kbps mp3 using Sound Forge 8.
> Recordings were made north of Kirkland, WA, USA at around 7:00 am
> on March 24, 2010.
> > >
> > > The suburban soundscape is dominated by the roar of a distant
> highway as well as planes, etc. I hope these experiments are still
> helpful in some way. I tried to get the gain structures close while
> recording but ended up adding 7.0 dB of gain (in SF) to the 722+MKH
> rig to make the background WHOOSH approximately match to my ears
> (the metering on the LS-10 is not fantastic for this but I could
> have done better with a better noise/reference source). The 722
> gain was set to display +61.8dB of gain. This is higher than I
> normally run the gain and likely into the range where the 722 gain
> display seems less accurate. I used the 722's internal M-S decoder
> with M-S set to the mid "*" position. The LS-10 gain was set to
> approximately "1.5" on the control. The LS-10 mic sense was set to
> "HIGH" and low cut was set to "OFF."
> > >
> > > In this first test I have the Telingas clipped to my Sennheiser
> HD 280 Pro headphones. Here's a pic:
> > > http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/IMG_4207.jpg
> > >
> > > I guess Klas will need a different marketing model. The mics
> are about 10 cm from my head and in a plane about 5 cm below the
> top of my head. The elements are pointing away from my head. There
> was very little thought regarding this choice of mic location! The
> clips just happen to hold very securely to my headphones in this
> position.
> > > Audio:
> > > Telingas: http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/
> LS100059_edit.mp3
> > > MKH: http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/T158_edit+7dB.mp3
> > >
> > > In this test I strapped the Telingas to a tree. Here are some
> pics:
> > > http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/IMG_4189.jpg
> > > http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/IMG_4191.jpg
> > > From the rear, for perspective. Yes, I am aimed at the house in
> this test: http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/IMG_4194.jpg
> > >
> > > For your amusement I intentionally walk around, plug in a
> fountain, unplug the fountain, and walk a bit more. Audio:
> > > Telingas: http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/
> LS100060_edit_tree.mp3
> > > MKH: http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/T159_edit+7dB.mp3
> > >
> > > For this clip I unplugged the Teingas and strapped the LS-10 to
> the tree. I left the gain unchanged so it is very quiet (I did not
> correct the gain in SF).
> > > Here's a pic: http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/
> IMG_4195.jpg
> > > LS-10 built-in mics audio: http://mikewallmusic.com/
> MKHandTelingaOmnis/LS100062_edit_built-in_mics.mp3
> > >
> > > For this final test I brought both rigs into my music room
> which is fairly quiet. I pointed them the same direction at a stack
> of foam bass traps. The gain was left unchanged:
> > > Telingas: http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/
> LS100063_edit_quiet.mp3
> > > MKH: http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/
> T160_edit_quiet.mp3
> > >
> > > I was surprised by the very high level of "rumble" from the MKH
> rig so I made sure the heater was off and recorded a bit more "quiet:"
> > > http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/T161_edit_quiet2+7.mp3
> > >
> > > The RMS is ~3.5 dB lower this time, but still lots of rumble
> compared to the Telingas+LS-10. I recall a discussion about
> intrinsic high-pass in the LS-10 and that may be a big part of the
> difference. I have done no analysis beyond running SF's
> "statistics" tool.
> > >
> > > I hope this was of some interest.
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
>
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