Hey, thanks Rob - this is helpful. Not only your affirmation of my
"anecdotal" approach to judging recordings, but also the intel on the
LS-10 - which I know has been covered in other threads.
I have to admit that there are so many gear discussions, I dip in and
out of reading them. Sometimes I just skip to the field recordings!
So I appreciate your summation.
Just did some recordings of red wing blackbirds that I'm pretty
excited about! I love the burbly birds...
=3D H
> On Mar 25, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Rob Danielson wrote:
>
> Hi Heather--
> In the end, subjectivity is ALL that matters.
> But, its a skill too, so having something to
> compare it to really helps me!
>
> Could very well be that the LS-10's input noise
> which we have shown extends down 400Hz is
> significantly masking what I term as the
> "acoustical" range, 400-1900Hz. The phenomenon is
> related to favorable impressions of "spatiality"
> and "airyness" some felt SASS produced in a
> comparison that Andrew and Paul shared and also
> in the lower register self-noise from the D50's
> internal mics-- if you followed either of these
> recent discussions. Noise this low creates a
> soft "roar" covers up the space. Could also be
> some the LS-10 mics, too. Rob D.
>
> At 10:27 AM -0700 3/25/10, Heather Perkins wrote:
> >This is anecdotal - I don't have tests, just "a feeling." BUT...
> >
> >I had an early model Edirol R-09, and liked it - but it finally
> >succumbed to my rough-and-tumble recording style. So I got an Olympus
> >LS-10... and although I agree that the Edirol isn't built as well
> >(hey, I busted mine!) I am missing something in my LS-10 recordings -
> >a sense of space, or "air." I record at high sample rates, and try
> >all kinds of settings, but I still miss something in my recordings.
> >
> >This is subjective, mind you - I have no scientific proof to back up
> >my claim. But if I could meld the design of the LS-10 with the sound
> >of the Edirol, I'd be happy.
> >
> >- H
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> The LS-10 seems to have bass roll-off when recording via the mic
> >> input as a default.
> >>
> >> Leonard Lombardo of Sonic Studios mentions this in his review from
> >> 2008:
> >>
> >> http://www.sonicstudios.com/ls10revw.htm
> >>
> >> I've noticed the difference between it and the Edirol R09-HR (also,
> >> the LS-10 has very low line-in sensitivity) and prefer to use the
> >> Edirol, even though its build quality is nowhere near as good.
> >>
> >> Ian
> >>
> >> - -
> >>
> >> London Sound Survey http://www.soundsurvey.org.uk
> >>
> >> Supporting Deafness Research UK http://www.deafnessresearch.org.uk
> >>
> >> --- In "Mike Rooke" <>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Ive found the LS10's low end response is'nt as good as the Sony
> >> D50. Might be an idea to test them with another recorder? - For
> >> sure the response of that particular capsule if its from the same
> >> family Im using is well below 10 Hz.
> >> >
> >> > Nice to hear the examples.
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > Mike.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In "walunit" <walunit@>
> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi folks,
> >> > >
> >> > > I received a set of Klas's new Telinga Clip-On omnis yesterday
> >> and tried a few experiments and compared a couple of configurations
> >> with my MKH M-S rig. Pardon the long post.
> >> > >
> >> > > First, I make no technical conclusions from these tests. I'm
> >> posting in the hopes that this is useful to the more technically
> >> inclined. Second, and on a more subjective note, these do not sound
> >> like "little" mics to me. I am pretty amazed at the Telinga + LS-10
> >> combo. I was seeking a reasonably priced, portable way to get into
> >> a fresh perspective in my soundscape recordings. With these omnis I
> >> can now start to experiment with various boundary techniques, etc.
> >> They sound great to my ears! I plan to take both rigs to the ocean
> >> next week and can share some more comparisons, etc., from that
> trip.
> >> > >
> >> > > Notes:
> >> > > The two setups are:
> >> > > 1) Olympus LS-10 + Telinga Clip-Ons
> >> > > 2) SD 722 + Sennheiser MKH 30/40 M-S mic setup
> >> > >
> >> > > All files were recorded 44.1 kHz and 24-bit. Both systems were
> >> set "flat" except whatever intrinsic filtering they may contain.
> >> The samples are all encoded to 256 kbps mp3 using Sound Forge 8.
> >> Recordings were made north of Kirkland, WA, USA at around 7:00 am
> >> on March 24, 2010.
> >> > >
> >> > > The suburban soundscape is dominated by the roar of a distant
> >> highway as well as planes, etc. I hope these experiments are still
> >> helpful in some way. I tried to get the gain structures close while
> > > recording but ended up adding 7.0 dB of gain (in SF) to the 722
> +MKH
> >> rig to make the background WHOOSH approximately match to my ears
> >> (the metering on the LS-10 is not fantastic for this but I could
> >> have done better with a better noise/reference source). The 722
> >> gain was set to display +61.8dB of gain. This is higher than I
> >> normally run the gain and likely into the range where the 722 gain
> >> display seems less accurate. I used the 722's internal M-S decoder
> >> with M-S set to the mid "*" position. The LS-10 gain was set to
> >> approximately "1.5" on the control. The LS-10 mic sense was set to
> >> "HIGH" and low cut was set to "OFF."
> >> > >
> >> > > In this first test I have the Telingas clipped to my Sennheiser
> >> HD 280 Pro headphones. Here's a pic:
> >> > > http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/IMG_4207.jpg
> >> > >
> >> > > I guess Klas will need a different marketing model. The mics
> >> are about 10 cm from my head and in a plane about 5 cm below the
> >> top of my head. The elements are pointing away from my head. There
> >> was very little thought regarding this choice of mic location! The
> >> clips just happen to hold very securely to my headphones in this
> >> position.
> >> > > Audio:
> >> > > Telingas: http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/
> >> LS100059_edit.mp3
> >> > > MKH: http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/T158_edit
> +7dB.mp3
> >> > >
> >> > > In this test I strapped the Telingas to a tree. Here are some
> >> pics:
> >> > > http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/IMG_4189.jpg
> >> > > http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/IMG_4191.jpg
> >> > > From the rear, for perspective. Yes, I am aimed at the house in
> >> this test: http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/IMG_4194.jpg
> >> > >
> >> > > For your amusement I intentionally walk around, plug in a
> >> fountain, unplug the fountain, and walk a bit more. Audio:
> >> > > Telingas: http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/
> >> LS100060_edit_tree.mp3
> >> > > MKH: http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/T159_edit
> +7dB.mp3
> >> > >
> >> > > For this clip I unplugged the Teingas and strapped the LS-10 to
> >> the tree. I left the gain unchanged so it is very quiet (I did not
> >> correct the gain in SF).
> >> > > Here's a pic: http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/
> >> IMG_4195.jpg
> >> > > LS-10 built-in mics audio: http://mikewallmusic.com/
> >> MKHandTelingaOmnis/LS100062_edit_built-in_mics.mp3
> >> > >
> >> > > For this final test I brought both rigs into my music room
> >> which is fairly quiet. I pointed them the same direction at a stack
> >> of foam bass traps. The gain was left unchanged:
> >> > > Telingas: http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/
> >> LS100063_edit_quiet.mp3
> >> > > MKH: http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/
> >> T160_edit_quiet.mp3
> >> > >
> >> > > I was surprised by the very high level of "rumble" from the MKH
> >> rig so I made sure the heater was off and recorded a bit more
> "quiet:"
> >> > > http://mikewallmusic.com/MKHandTelingaOmnis/T161_edit_quiet2
> +7.mp3
> >> > >
> >> > > The RMS is ~3.5 dB lower this time, but still lots of rumble
> >> compared to the Telingas+LS-10. I recall a discussion about
> >> intrinsic high-pass in the LS-10 and that may be a big part of the
> >> difference. I have done no analysis beyond running SF's
> >> "statistics" tool.
> >> > >
> >> > > I hope this was of some interest.
> >> > > Best Regards,
> >> > > Mike
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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