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Re: How high do you put your mic?

Subject: Re: How high do you put your mic?
From: "Curt Olson" flipov411
Date: Wed Aug 5, 2009 8:56 am ((PDT))
Rob Danielson wrote:

>>> Curt, are you using that height with your array with the 2nd  
>>> boundary on the bottom?
>>
>> Yea, but let's not go into that here. ; )
>
> Could be a pretty big factor though as the hard boundaries that are  
> fairly parallel to the ground in that array reflect more "above the  
> horizon" sound. I would expect it to respond to height changes very  
> differently from free air rigs and and arrays that have vertical  
> boundaries like SASS and the other boundary arrays you developed.

That's right. I noticed this "sweet spot" only very recently when  
using the multi-boundary array. Haven't followed up yet with any other  
rigs. Frankly, until Greg mentioned the same thing yesterday, I had  
assumed the phenomenon might be peculiar to my rig.

>>> Over all types of surfaces?
>>
>> To my ear, both near and distant sounds seem to stand out somewhat  
>> more distinctly in the small zone I referred to as the "sweet  
>> spot." I suspect one reason might be that, as Greg noted, certain  
>> types of background noise such as traffic noise, might be slightly  
>> reduced. If that's the case, then I would further suspect that it  
>> might have something to do with the happy accident of desirable  
>> phase cancellation that might occur at certain distances above the  
>> surface, and to which certain microphones or types of arrays  
>> respond in a way that some of us find to be pleasant.
>
> If there is advantageous phase cancellation or other ways the low  
> frequencies become attenuated, you should be able to detect the  
> nature of these changes, dynamically, with some fully-enclosed  
> headphones and hand-holding the rig as you lower it from head-height  
> to the ground.

Yea, that's exactly what I've done. I'm thinking the changes are  
subtle enough that static recordings made at various heights would  
probably not be very helpful. It's most easily detected dynamically in  
real time. And again, I gotta think that different mics and different  
mounting schemes will likely respond in altogether different ways than  
what I'm reporting.

> Would be instructive to do this over different ground types such as  
> short grass, large smooth slabs, patches of bare ground, tall grass,  
> brushy undergrowth, etc.

I have not yet made an effort to test these different surface types.  
Will tuck that away for future outings.

> When the ground is absorbing sound waves, I think it is accepted  
> theory that lowest frequency sound sources are less affected than  
> the higher frequencies that are often more helpful in creating  
> spatial clarity. The ratio of sound waves coming directly from  
> distant sources compared to those influenced by the ground is also  
> smaller with near to ground placement. However, considering the  
> larger scale, we're only discussing a ~4 change in height with  
> subject to mic distances being much larger. If you and Greg are  
> producing recording where any technique is improving spatial  
> clarity, its definitely worth looking at the specifics and trying to  
> figure out how its happening. We might need some field tests to get  
> the the bottom of it. Rob D.

Thank you for always pushing us toward more clarity and better  
understanding!

Curt Olson

PS: Did you capture any recordings in BC that you're willing to share?






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