.uk dhole23
Date: Thu May 29, 2008 6:39 am ((PDT))
We will always be interested in what is used in a specific situation .
Knowing what mic is usefull to me more say because of the pickup
response than what make of mic ,
I dont always want to know...
what it costs, where do I buy them ?, should I buy one? will it work
with x-y, what is an alternative?, Ive got one and can I build a power
supply for it ?, how long a cable should I use with it ?,
For me This is where the topic dilutes from the original thread.
I want to know:
How did you learn about the particular species you were recording ?
What did you learn in your research about the species ?
How did you choose the location for the recording ?
What tactics did you initialy imagine the recording would require ?
How did you find the species you were recording ?
Was this task easy ?
What did you learn in doing so ?
this could go on for days..........
You may ask why I havent been seen posting such questions... Im slack
and I dont live in the states and record frogs and toads ( I would love
to record some in the UK if anyone does such things please answer the
first 3 questions?! )
seperating the equipment from the practice is usefull to focus
attention. I find it difficult sometimes to seprate my gear fetish from
recording excitement. Its sooooo much easier to click buttons on a
computer than lugging all your gear about and being patient for hours on
end waiting for a deer to fart. Getting an inch from a deers bum with
even the noisiest mic and aslong as your levels are good youll get a
mighty recording.
Lets hope the seperation will help us to focus on recording more and
getting better recordings.
Dave
Jim Lee wrote:
>
>
> My $0.02 is that I really hate to see this wonderful group splintered.
> This is a huge disappointment to me too. I wish the idea had been
> floated to the group for comment before creation of the new group became
> a fait accompli under the direction of our moderator. Such a discussion
> might have yielded a different approach.
>
> A hypothetical scenario for the new group: Somebody posts a beautiful
> pristine recording. Somebody else is curious about the gear they used to
> get the recording. Dare they ask the question? How much detail can they
> ask for? Can the respondent elaborate on his/her choices of gear in that
> particular situation? Will comparisons be appropriate? If the recording
> is really nice should it be cross posted to the old group or are those
> folks just out of luck. If the gear question is interesting, should it
> be just left to die in the new group or shared?
>
> I am sure all of this will work itself out but . . . .
>
> Jim Lee
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> Greg Simmons wrote:
> > My intention is not to offend or ridicule, although the following
> > might be interpreted that way...
> >
> > A) I find it highly disappointing to see information that ought to be
> > pooled together as a huge and wonderful resource being split into
> > two, purely because some subscribers can't filter it. I get it in
> > digest form (as some others do) and find it very easy to scroll or
> > otherwise navigate through. There's a list of topics at the top, and
> > clicking on any one of those will automatically scroll down to that
> > message in the digest. If I want to reply to a message, I simply
> > click on the message's title and it takes me to Yahoo Groups. And at
> > the end of each message is a 'return to top' line to get me back to
> > the contents list at the top. This is far preferable to me than
> > receiving invidual messages, many of which I'm not interested in *at
> > this point in time* (perhaps later though), and/or logging into Yahoo
> > Groups to monitor things - both of which require way too much
> > clickety click and navigating around.
> >
> > I also use Gmail, which has Google's excellent searching
> > capabilities, so I have no need to archive or otherwise organise the
> > digests at all - they're all stored in my InBox on Gmail's servers
> > (of which I'm currently using 3513MB (51%) of my ever-growing 6770MB
> > storage capacity). If I want to find a message about recording birds
> > on the Tibetan plateau, I simply put in the keywords and tell it to
> > search my InBox. Up they come, one after another, in a single list. I
> > can't imagine anything easier than digest form messages received in
> > Gmail, and I can get that information from any computer on-line,
> > anywhere in the world.
> >
> > B) It's a pity that those who have complained about excessive gear
> > talk are motivated enough to complain about it, but not motivated
> > enough to redress the situation in a pro-active manner. Rather than
> > sitting waiting for someone to ask how to record the unicorn, a
> > recognised expert in unicorn recording (c'mon, you know who you are!)
> > who felt there was too excessive gear talk could've done a great
> > service by initiating a thread titled "How I record unicorns" -
> > focusing on their fieldcraft, what worked and what didn't, and
> > providing mp3 excerpts of their successes and failures.
> >
> > Any list ultimately reflects the interests of its subscribers, and it
> > is up to the subscribers to steer it where they want by asking
> > questions and/or initiating topics to volunteer information. The
> > excessive gear talk 'problem' we have here is due to a lot of
> > questions being asked about equipment, but not much initiating of
> > topics about fieldcraft.
> >
> > C) Some figures mentioned here lately suggest that there are nearly
> > 1500 subscribers to the list, and, to quote: "We have had over 80 new
> > subscribers to the new group and 9/10's of them added that it was
> > good to get away from excessive gear talk!"
> >
> > Firstly, 9/10 of "over 80 new subscribers" is somewhere over 72
> > people, out of almost 1500 subscribers. That represents about 5% or
> > so of the total people here. A significant majority? For about the
> > same effort required to sign up to the new group, they could've got
> > filters happening, or chosen to get the list sent in digest form, or
> > asked someone else to show them how to do it. Instead, we now have
> > two groups with the aim of isolating fieldcraft from gear talk, when
> > the two ultimately go hand in hand because you can't have one without
> > the other.
> >
> > Secondly, surely the new group is way too young to be making such
> > statements about how good it is to get away from excessive gear talk.
> > I'll wager that many conversations about fieldcraft will ultimately
> > lead to someone asking "wow, what a great recording, what microphone
> > (s) did you use and why?", or "wow, that recording is so quiet, what
> > preamps did you use and why?" - both of which always lead to
> > discussions of technology. What happens then? Does someone break in
> > mid-thread and say, "Oi, blasphemers, that's not allowed here, take
> > it to the old list"? In 12 months time are we going to see a new
> > message saying that the old and new lists are being merged together
> > because they're both populated by the same people discussing the same
> > things, and some people are finding it hard to keep track of
> > conversations that started on the new list but had to move to the old
> > list due to excessive gear talk (or vice versa).
> >
> > D)Technology has changed, recording gear is becoming more affordable
> > and amazingly portable, and we have a greater global appreciation of
> > the natural environment. As a result of these factors, there are more
> > and more people wanting to make nature recordings. Surely this is a
> > good thing. Unlike a decade ago, where there wasn't as much
> > affordable portable technology to choose from, there is now a
> > bewildering range of products. People want to make the right choices
> > before they spend their money. Many of them are driven by passion,
> > but don't have a technical background so they come here asking for
> > help. Discussions of fieldcraft are absolutely fantastic and
> > priceless, but without recording equipment they are meaningless -
> > there's no point knowing where to put the microphone if you don't
> > have one! So it is only natural for people to ask about the gear they
> > need (tech talk), before they start discussing how to use it
> > (fieldcraft). One leads to another, and it begins with having the
> > right gear. As many of the newcomers take advice from here and buy
> > their own gear and start making recordings, they'll start asking
> > about fieldcraft... And then where do they go?
> >
> > Apologies in advance if I've put any noses out of joint. I'll be
> > joining up to the new group anyway, because I don't want to miss a
> > single thing here. Also, with Gmail and digest messages, it will
> > probably make no difference except double the amount of incoming
> > messages.
> >
> > Bother...
> >
> >
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> >
> > "While a picture is worth a thousand words, a
> > sound is worth a thousand pictures." R. Murray Schafer via Bernie Krau=
se
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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