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1. Re: Stereo Parabolic Dish with Side Capsules (was Split Para

Subject: 1. Re: Stereo Parabolic Dish with Side Capsules (was Split Para
From: "Rob Danielson" danielson_audio
Date: Thu Feb 7, 2008 11:34 am ((PST))
At 6:07 PM +0000 2/6/08, tk7859 wrote:
>--- In 
><naturerecordists%40yahoogroups.com> 
>"tk7859" <> wrote:
>
>>  But first I need to finish an idea I experimented with today. Using
>>  bits and bobs from my debris box I came up with an arrangement for
>>  varying the output from the forward facing triplet capsules without
>>  altering the output from the focal point triplets. This can be done
>>  by means of a controller on the handle of the reflector. It will be
>>  possible to smoothly change the wide stage parabolic into a normal
>>  parabolic while remaining focussed on the subject and continuing to
>>  record.
>
>Hello All
>
>I've been away from home (unexpected visit to North Wales)for six days
>so this is the first opportunity to report back on the above. I have
>completed the controller (potentiometer)
>
><http://ad2004.hku.nl/naturesound/TomR/Wide%20Stage%20Parabolic/Variable%20ParaJeck.JPG>http://ad2004.hku.nl/naturesound/TomR/Wide%20Stage%20Parabolic/Variable%20ParaJeck.JPG
>
>and have tested it with the parajeck outside. The results are
>disappointing. There does not seem to be a big difference in stereo
>effect when the forward facing capsules have their output reduced.

Hi Tom-- I may be confused. In this test, are you are comparing:

(A) The focal point capsules  + the side-facing front capsules  -> 
(B) just the the focal point capsules?

If so, didn't we already tested this in your clock sweep test and 
found the difference to be significant?



>Here is a snippet of the test. This has been edited to remove the
>sound of operating the potentiometer. As a result the "wide spaced"
>segments begin with me introducing them and end at the point where I
>introduce the "parabolic only" segments.
>
><http://ad2004.hku.nl/naturesound/TomR/Wide%20Stage%20Parabolic/001-WS%20V_P%20edit%20mp3.mp3>http://ad2004.hku.nl/naturesound/TomR/Wide%20Stage%20Parabolic/001-WS%20V_P%20edit%20mp3.mp3


I agree, in this test, there's not much localization difference in 
content> 1000Hz like the fountain and your whispers.

The  (A) focal point capsules  + the side-facing front capsules seem 
to have more bottom end than (B) just the the focal point capsules. 
There is also less high-end and more Hi-HZ noise in (A).

I think I am hearing some  low Hz modulation in (A) that I did not 
notice before. This could be stem from the increased Lo Hz content in 
this range outside compared to indoors,.. Could it be that your mixer 
circuit has changed-eliminated the improved stereo field we tested 
before somehow?

>
>It might be that the reflector, on its own, has a reasonable stereo
>effect due to the large dividing disc on which the "focal point" omni
>capsules are mounted and/or the attenuation of the front, outrigger
>capsules is not enough.

There is considerable tonal change already so it might not be only a 
question of the amount of attenuation in the (forward-mounted) 
side-directed mics.

I suspect the additional low hz response is important in the 
creation/impression of a wider stereo image.

>  To investigate this theory I am in the
>process of building a Mk II parabar which has "head spaced thin plates
>similar to Curt's rigs" as mentioned in Robs earlier post on this
>subject. The large centre divider will also be dispensed with and the
>the two focal point triplets will be mounted side by side without a
>divider. A small variation of the potentiometer idea will also allow
>the attenuation of the focal point capsules at the same time as the
>barrier capsules' output is increased. Some more experimentation with
>the value of the potentiometer is also possible at a later stage.
>
>Hopefully a working sample will be available early next week.
>
>Cheers, Tom Robinson
>
>


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