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Re: blackbirds and individual variations in singing

Subject: Re: blackbirds and individual variations in singing
From: "Steve Pelikan" pelikan45224
Date: Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:58 am ((PDT))
For some reason I can't download the sound files.

However I've been interested in quantifying the similarity/differences 
between songs of several birds.

One approach that has worked quite well for identifying different songs 
in a single individual's repertoire (see 
http://math.uc.edu/~pelikan/Dora/revi4/revi4.html for an example) groups 
songs based on correlations between sonograms/spectrographs.

A second approach selects specific elements from representative songs 
and estimates the similarities of these "probe" elements to the elements 
that appear in each individual's song. Subsequent multivariant analysis 
(like clustering) serves to group the songs of different individuals 
into similarity classes. This has worked like a charm for Northern 
Cardinals.

Finally, if you can decide on (at least as a hypothesis) certain 
specific parameters by which the songs may vary (lowest frequency 
present, rate of repetition of a certain element, etc.) you can measure 
these directly for each song. I did this with fairly good effect for parids.

If any of these approaches sound like they might be useful, you're 
welcome to software I've written to carry out the procedures.

Good luck!

Steve Pelikan
dobroide wrote:


> 
> 
> Hello group,
> 
> lately I'm listening to male blackbirds from different places, and
> can't but notice there are important differences among them. Uploaded
> a couple files to illustrate this, although I guess this is most
> likely a long-known fact:
> http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8KV9RgPYQ4S66tdYwv3UuFA-Hwoa4eZBd3ABs8HKsvuLwWZZyK9koy1oH5uCAEBzn30haxJFOxaUAktNKBtUx_e-DNvP4A/Member%20Files/20070603.blackbird.pinewood.mp3
>  
> <http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8KV9RgPYQ4S66tdYwv3UuFA-Hwoa4eZBd3ABs8HKsvuLwWZZyK9koy1oH5uCAEBzn30haxJFOxaUAktNKBtUx_e-DNvP4A/Member%20Files/20070603.blackbird.pinewood.mp3>
> http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8KV9RrPFhdK66tdYUyDvRVTAi3FDDo99YA8FedCR-NDXNK__0HBIzBFyhxb3pPcVWMWqln25gZujQ7e4dEL_eEj2VqT96Q/Member%20Files/20070616.blackbird.city.mp3
>  
> <http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8KV9RrPFhdK66tdYUyDvRVTAi3FDDo99YA8FedCR-NDXNK__0HBIzBFyhxb3pPcVWMWqln25gZujQ7e4dEL_eEj2VqT96Q/Member%20Files/20070616.blackbird.city.mp3>
> (my first files to the group, unsure if I did it/linked right,
> apologies if I didn't)
> 
> Anyway, I was wondering... do any of you know if there is software to
> quantify and callibrate differences by analyzing songs? I certainly
> can distinguish some differences by ear, identify recurrent 'words'
> and the like, but it would be nice to achieve this in a quantitative
> way... Any hint?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Dob
> 
> ps
> 
> 
> 
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