The setup of those recordings is actually an MK6 set to figure 8
(which is pretty much identical to an MK8) and an MK41 as the center.
Since my new MKH rig also has the hypcardiod as the center (MKH50)
and I have two 722's, I can now do a test with the Senn and Schoeps
MS rig, recording the same material at the same time. I'll try and do
that in the next day or so.
The Schoeps definitely aren't as sensitive as the MKH, and not as
quiet. I do think MS can sometimes lack some depth. And many of those
recordings were made many years ago, now my tendency would be
probably to bring up some more gain when mastering them.
It will be interesting to see how they compare, the Senn and Schoeps.
Maybe I'll do a blind test. I'll record a sample on each system, and
post them as A and B and see people's reactions. I'll be curious myself.
The Senn's so far sound good, but to my ears, I like the Schoeps
sound slightly better. The Sennheisers sound slightly 'clinical' and
very accurate, but someone lacking in character. The Schoeps, for all
their shortcomings, have a 'sound' to them. This is all very minor
mind you, not saying the Senns sound bad by any stretch. Just that
Schoeps definitely has it's own sound, which for some things, I
really like.
evs, if you really want to record quiet stuff, then favor the
Sennheisers over the Schoeps, they're absolutely quieter.
I'm thinking that you really want to record 'air'. Even the Schoeps
have noticable noise when recording room tone or quiet air.
Tim
On Aug 22, 2006, at 7:53 AM, Rob Danielson wrote:
> At 12:43 PM +0200 8/22/06, evs wrote:
> >hi tim, thanks a lot,
> >the examples are sounding great, good stereo view! allthough i want
> >to record even more quiet things, the recordings convince me some
> >more to go MS.
>
> I enjoyed your recordings, Tim. Thanks for
> putting the assortment together. It really helps
> to be able to spot play recordings from different
> locations to detect characteristics that could be
> common to the mic/system. I ran back quickly
> through the string to determine the the capsules
> in your M-S rig, I presume MK8 and?
>
> Of course, no mics/system is perfect; all
> introduce unique character. If the noise and
> distortion are low, the next aspect I
> enjoy/employ is tonal "accuracy," or
> applicability towards one's final goals. In the
> ways I listen to and use ambient or reverberant
> field recordings, tonal balance has a significant
> impact on the "reach" or spatiality. Other
> recordists value directionality or stereo
> positioning more than depth or reach and this can
> have an impact on their mic choices/rigs.
>
> I would characterize the material as generally
> "quiet" based on the saturations. Both schoep
> mics introduce some coloration that can be heard
> across all the settings as a subtle, constant
> harmonic tone. I studied a section about 3:55 in
> with the breeze, leaf rattles and distant
> cardinal because it was most "pink noise" like
> and the leaves test hi end "brittleness" quite
> well. The mild exaggeration with this schoeps
> pair is quite different from that I typically
> hear with my mkh 30/40's and generally less
> pronounced-- especially between 300 and 70Hz. The
> schoeps do seem seem to produce more emphasis in
> multiple, narrow peaks around 1000K and 2000K.
> Both mics, but especially the mid, have some
> pretty strong peaks or graininess around 8K and
> 10K. The senns have a tiny bit little less of
> this in my experience. I didn't really dive into
> using extreme EQ. The M-S imaging in the
> recordings/mixes are more center emphasized than
> some mixers might create from the material.
> Equalizing the two mics separately is pretty
> standard for the M-S recordings I make and the
> schoeps seem to benefit from this too. I was
> hoping to post the EQ curves but I ran into a
> curious asymmetry in my patch using the +matrix
> plug I need to track down first.
>
> EVS-- did you compare the MS image to Curt's Omni Rigs? Rob D.
>
> >
> >Am 22.08.2006 um 03:31 schrieb Tim Nielsen:
> >
> >> Hi evs,
> >>
> >> Here's a link to a .wav file of some recordings I've made with my
> >> Schoeps MS. I did a quick cut and paste job and faded through a few
> >> different sounds
> >>
> >> Wisconsin Summer Day
> >> Sierra Mountains about 7000 feet bugs and wind (starts 0:44 in)
> >> Minnesota forest in late fall, early winter (starts 1:26 in)
> >> Minnesota cabin birds (starts 2:13 in)
> >> Dead leaves rustling on tree in MN, and some in CA (starts 2:56 in)
> >> Lake Superior waves lapping at midnight (starts 4:10 in)
> >> Small stream near cave in New Zealand (starts 4:50 in)
> >> Duck feeding frenzy in NZ (starts 6:08 in)
> >> Ducks in pond swimming and diving in NZ (starts 7:28 in)
> >> Cows in mud (starts 7:45 in)
> >>
> >> I tried to pick pretty quiet stuff (until the animal stuff) and
> then
> >> a few things that had decent stereo images I thought. Note that
> some
> >> of these have been 'mastered' and perhaps EQ'd a bit. Some of
> the low
> >> end might have been rolled off. But than that, they should be as
> >> recorded. Other than some roll-off, these should be straight
> >> recordings all done at 1:1 MS setting.
> >>
> >> The file is large (100 megs), 10 minutes long and in uncompressed
> >> wav, but wanted to post something long enough to really give a
> listen
> >> to, ya know? Some of these are pretty quiet, I dind't volume
> equalize
> >> them at all. It's also 48k I realized, you could convert to 44.1
> and
> >> burn to a CD to listen to on some speakers you trust.
> >>
> >> Here's the link:
> >>
> >> http://www.wildecho.com/Filechute/Schoeps%20MS%20Stereo%
> 20Sample.wav
> >>
> >> or
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/jtkno
> >>
> > > Tim
>
>
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