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Re: Mac OS "spotlight" indexes metadata

Subject: Re: Mac OS "spotlight" indexes metadata
From: Jeremiah Moore <>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:38:37 -0700
Hmm..  Initially, I did a persistent pull list before mTools did. 
But now they have that feature too.  I have a different look and 
feel, and have tried to keep things simpler and more elegant than the 
mTools filemaker interface.  However, they have features I don't 
since they develop the system and can incorporate things quickly.  I 
guess the main difference is the Gallery approach to development is 
somewhat ad-hoc (lots of very useful features, added on as they 
appear) whereas my approach was more systematic.  Also I allow you to 
audition files with Quicktime Player, and deliver copies of the 
original file using an inexpensive filemaker plugin.

-jeremiah





>Jeremiah:
>
>What does your interface do that mTools doesn't do? Also, can your software
>(or mTools) currently access Broadcast Wave Files and allow the user to add
>information into the BWF metadata field? Last time I checked this was not
>yet possible.
>
>Lang
>
>Lang -
>
>My system is essentially an alternative front-end to mTools.
>
>http://www.northstation.net/sfxdb/
>
>There is another filemaker based package called soundlog pro, but it
>looks to be no longer available.
>
>-jeremiah
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>>Jeremiah:
>>
>>What Filemaker-based software are you involved in developing? I know about
>>mTools, but are there any other sound management software packages available
>>that tie in with Filemaker?
>>
>>Lang
>>
>>A friend was just at apple's WWDC conference here in SF where the
>>spotlight feature was announced.  Apparently the plan is to use a
>>SQL-based database to contain the indexing, i.e. much faster and more
>>efficient than Sherlock's content indexing.  (however, walt is right
>>about the concept, and I'm sure there will be indexing.  Supposedly
>>controllable, and ostensibly more efficient than the big flat file
>>sherlock used.)
>>
>>I, for one, am excited about the possibilities.  I hope it's possible
>>to read and write the metadata from the OS, via scripting or
>>whatever.  In my line of work, it's *very* useful to attatch metadata
>>directly to files, since the files get copied and moved and
>>reorganized and even haphazardly renamed all the time as they flow
>>through projects.  Storing the metadata in the file assures that you
>>know what's what in a way that an external database can't.
>>
>>I also use (and am the developer of) a filemaker-based database for
>>searching, retrieval, conversion and project tracking of sound
>>assets.  In this case the metadata is stored in the DB, and the files
>>are not moved or renamed etc.
>>
>>Spotlight could be cool if it's done right.  That remains to be seen.
>>
>>-jeremiah
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "oryoki2000" <>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Developers were given a glimpse of the next version of the Macintosh
>>>>    OS at the recent Apple conference in San Francisco.  Most interesting
>  >>>   is the search feature called Spotlight.  Spotlight runs in the
>  >>>   background, building indexes of your files, so searches happen very
>  >>>   quickly.
>  >>>
>  >>>   The most interesting feature of Spotlight is its ability to
>>>>    automatically index file metadata. If this includes the metadata in
>>>>    Broadcast WAV (BWF) format, Spotlight will make it much easier to
>>>>    manage a library of sound recordings.
>>>>
>>>>    I haven't owned a Macintosh in more than 15 years.  But it's looking
>>>>    like my next computer may be a Mac.
>>   >
>>   >This sounds like a minor variant of the older version of Sherlock, which
>>   >could index all text content of all files. And was extremely annoying.
>>   >Running in the background indexing a hundred gigs of files every so
>>>often. I turned it off. Last iteration of that would sometimes get it
>>>into it's head that you wanted a index of the entire internet as well,
>>>and start in on that. Latest Sherlock is almost entirely a internet
>>>searcher. Though there still is a find in the finder for finding files
>>>on your local system. I assume they are expanding that, putting back in
>>>what they had before, but not letting it link to the internet. And, if
>  >>it's typical of the way they have implemented features lately, it will
>>>be impossible to turn off it's endless indexing. I'm not looking forward
>>>to such a feature. I use a proper database that I control to handle
>>>indexing my sound recordings.
>>>
>>>I do recommend mac over windows, though the advantages are not as great
>>>as they used to be since the command line unix folks took over. It's
>>>being slowly ground down to windows level of functionality. Won't be
>>>noticed by folks new to it, but people like me who have seen all phases
>>>of Macs do see the considerable failures of the current OS writers. In
>>>some of the most basic things.
>>>
>>>And, as I understand it, Apple has or will introduce some G5 systems
>>>that require liquid cooling of their processors. So the advantage in
>>>heat production seems to have been lost too.
>>>
>>>I'm kind of hoping that windows will eventually become a acceptable OS,
>>>before Apple makes theirs completely unusable. And get moved to a more
>>   >modern processor.
>>>
>>>Walt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Microphones are not ears,
>>>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>>>A listening room is not nature."
>>>Klas Strandberg
>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>"Microphones are not ears,
>>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>>A listening room is not nature."
>>Klas Strandberg
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
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>"Microphones are not ears,
>Loudspeakers are not birds,
>A listening room is not nature."
>Klas Strandberg
>Yahoo! Groups Links
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