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Re: Introduction

Subject: Re: Introduction
From: Walter Knapp <>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:07:50 -0500
From: Dan Dugan <>
> 
> Walt wrote to Jeff,
> 
> 
>>>You need to get the sound level higher before it hits the mic. I'm going
>>>to suggest something that will probably horrify some,
> 
> 
> You know me!

Horrified enough? Yep, I would have been surprised if you did not rise. 
I'm a fly fisherman and I know my quarry ;-)

>>>namely add a
>>>Telinga spare dish and rig a mount to use the ME as it's mic, pointing
>>>it toward the dish. That's not the traditional mic for a parabolic, but
>>>should work pretty well.
> 
> 
> ME-66? Have you ever used a short shotgun in a parabolic, Walt? I 
> haven't. I would only accept this recommendation if you said you'd 
> tried it and it was useful, because theoretically it's wrong, and I 
> know you know that. Of course it will "work," i.e. sound will be 
> recorded, but will it be any better than just pointing the ME-66?
> 
> For a parabola to deliver its acoustic amplification, the mike needs 
> to be listening to the reflection from the whole dish. A short 
> shotgun would only listen to a small part in the center of it.
> 
> I suggest getting an omni capsule to put on the K6 or K6P body for 
> use in the parabolic.

We have a budget that's stretched to the limit. Gotta do it for a 
minimum. Have to have the dish, but the omni is extra and would not make 
the first cut, it's a 2nd mic. Unless you go only for the omni, no 
shotgun. You get one mic, which would you choose for what you know of 
what's wanted to be recorded?  And, having chosen, what sort of 
situations would you have covered? And what would you be leaving out? 
Everything is a compromise.

Marty has commented some, and I'll go along with that. Also note the 
polar plot of a ME66. It's not all that pointy sharp in it's 
directionality, even if Marty were not right, you'd get pretty high 
benefit from the parabolic. He's only asking for a modest distance, not 
hundreds of yards. To get back to that discussion, I think it would be 
'good enough'.

To reply, have I tried it? Not with a ME66, but I have piddled around 
with a MKH-60 and it worked for the little bit I tried. Did not do any 
formal recording with it, just listened. It's worth note that with a 
short shotgun and the Telinga reflector that by the time you get the 
diaphragm in the focus the front end of the interference tube is almost 
touching the dish (or more correctly in the back hole). It definitely 
won't see most of the sound headed toward the dish at all. A ME67 would 
be sticking through the central dish hole. And my MKH-816's would have 
more out the back than inside the dish, you could use the interference 
tube as a handle almost, if it were not for handling noise.

You think that looks funny, I've already stuck my MKH-60 pair in my 
modified SASS once just to see how it looked and thought about how it 
might sound. Eventually I'm going to do it again, just to see how it 
records. Curiosity is a wonderful thing, don't stifle it.

Walt









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