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Re: Thunder and bullets

Subject: Re: Thunder and bullets
From: Wild Sanctuary <>
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:28:26 -0700
Sound recording and sound design (incl. any transformation of the 
media from one environment to another) is both the craft and art of 
illusion. Transforming a cannon or rifle shot or thunder or a 
biophony or single bird or frog sound from a live environment to 
either analog or DAT or MD media, while, at the same time, retaining 
the "mind's ear" impact, is the craft. Taking it a step further so 
that there is no doubt, no question, no distraction and where the 
impact and impression is totally engaging and captivating to the 
listener's mind, is the art.

There's often a lot of one. But not often a lot of the other. Before 
LucasFilm released the recent Star Wars episode, they screened it 
with no picture shown. Sound only. They figured if the sound design 
captured the illusion of action and story, it was worthy of release. 
Otherwise...

Bernie

>Dan,
>
>I built my first "stereo" system in the mid 50's from HeathKit
>components.  I do recall an early 1812 album that I purchased to
>exploit my new sound system. I am not sure whether it was the mono
>or later stereo version that I enjoyed playing just to listen to the
>cannon shots.
>
>Your comments regarding the recording of gunshots are very
>interesting.  It is similar to what (as I understand it) Bernie and
>others have stated, that the recording of 'difficult' sounds
>requires a number of techniques that will result in the effect of
>realism in the final recreation, as opposed to the accurate and
>undistorted recording of the original sound.
>
>For those who that have not seen (and heard) "Open Range", I feel
>that it may be worth your while to visit a big screen and listen to
>the sound track of this movie.  I am not sure whether it is the
>newly acquired sensitivity to sounds that I have gained from those
>on this forum, or just my new interest in sound recording that
>caused me to focus on listening to this sound track.  I went online
>and read a number of reviews of the movie, and others were obviously
>moved by the thunder and gunshot sounds.
>
>-Bill-
>
>
>--- In  Dan Dugan <> wrote:
>>  Bill Mueller wrote,
>>
>>  >I suspect that gunshots are as difficult
>>  >  >to record and recreate as thunder and surf.
>>
>>  My understanding from the film recordists I work with is that the
>>  successful way to record gunshots and door slams is to let the
>>  impulse saturate the hell out of the tape, so that the early
>>  reflections and reverberation are really what's faithfully
>recorded.
>>  This only works with analog tape.
>>
>>  <codger mode> I was doing theatrical sound design in the 60s.
>Mercury
>>  Records came out with a great mono 1812 Overture, which had a
>>  documentary of recording the cannon and bells on the B side. That
>>  cannon was a godsend for sound design, much better than the
>available
>>  sound effects LPs. It was heard in a lot of shows!
>>
>>  At some point, Mercury re-recorded the piece in stereo, and
>published
>>  it in the same format. I ran right out to get it, but I was very
>>  disappointed in the sound of the new cannon recording. It was a
>puny
>>  crack. I suspect the engineers didn't know the old saturation
>trick,
>>  and recorded the cannon "properly" so the impluse didn't distort.
>>  That put the reflections and reverb probably 20 dB down...
></codger
>>  mode>
>>
>>  -Dan Dugan
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