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Re: Thunder and bullets

Subject: Re: Thunder and bullets
From: "Bill Mueller" <>
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:17:30 -0000
Dan,

I built my first "stereo" system in the mid 50's from HeathKit 
components.  I do recall an early 1812 album that I purchased to 
exploit my new sound system. I am not sure whether it was the mono 
or later stereo version that I enjoyed playing just to listen to the 
cannon shots.

Your comments regarding the recording of gunshots are very 
interesting.  It is similar to what (as I understand it) Bernie and 
others have stated, that the recording of 'difficult' sounds 
requires a number of techniques that will result in the effect of 
realism in the final recreation, as opposed to the accurate and 
undistorted recording of the original sound.

For those who that have not seen (and heard) "Open Range", I feel 
that it may be worth your while to visit a big screen and listen to 
the sound track of this movie.  I am not sure whether it is the 
newly acquired sensitivity to sounds that I have gained from those 
on this forum, or just my new interest in sound recording that 
caused me to focus on listening to this sound track.  I went online 
and read a number of reviews of the movie, and others were obviously 
moved by the thunder and gunshot sounds.

-Bill-
 

--- In  Dan Dugan <> wrote:
> Bill Mueller wrote,
> 
> >I suspect that gunshots are as difficult
> >  >to record and recreate as thunder and surf.
> 
> My understanding from the film recordists I work with is that the 
> successful way to record gunshots and door slams is to let the 
> impulse saturate the hell out of the tape, so that the early 
> reflections and reverberation are really what's faithfully 
recorded. 
> This only works with analog tape.
> 
> <codger mode> I was doing theatrical sound design in the 60s. 
Mercury 
> Records came out with a great mono 1812 Overture, which had a 
> documentary of recording the cannon and bells on the B side. That 
> cannon was a godsend for sound design, much better than the 
available 
> sound effects LPs. It was heard in a lot of shows!
> 
> At some point, Mercury re-recorded the piece in stereo, and 
published 
> it in the same format. I ran right out to get it, but I was very 
> disappointed in the sound of the new cannon recording. It was a 
puny 
> crack. I suspect the engineers didn't know the old saturation 
trick, 
> and recorded the cannon "properly" so the impluse didn't distort. 
> That put the reflections and reverb probably 20 dB down... 
</codger 
> mode>
> 
> -Dan Dugan



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