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Re: sound as close to original as possible

Subject: Re: sound as close to original as possible
From: Walter Knapp <>
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 21:05:49 -0500
Rob Danielson wrote:

   How
> about this: gear choices allow one to record with less or more 
> approximation and choices in post can be towards more faithful or 
> less faithful reproduction? Circumstance, attitude and 
> science/technology. Aren't the differences we perceive in recordings 
> best tested by communicability than by sonogram?

I would certainly agree, no recording technique, equipment etc will give 
you exactly the sound that was there. I think I have stated this a 
number of times in the past.

And one of the big reasons why we spend on fancy gear is so we will have 
to do less post processing to get the result we want. That's part of the 
value of those expensive mics, a huge lot of time we won't be working on 
the recording later. In fact it's probably the sort of reason why we are 
not all recording with a $1 capsule stuck on the end of a stick with 
chewing gum. We like the work part of this to be easier.

We will still end up working on the recordings, of course, for other 
reasons. For instance, I'm in the middle of driving myself nuts trying 
to get a nice clear 20 second clip of each of Georgia's species of frogs 
to go into the ID part of the CD in the works. Very little of that is 
removing unwanted general noise, or adjusting the call itself. In most 
cases it's trying to remove as many of the calls of other types of 
animals as possible. A "perfect" MKH recording that contained 6 species 
of frogs and several species of insects might be near impossible to use. 
It would be nice if I had perfect recordings of each species by itself 
in the 800 plus site recordings I have, but that's not reality. Maybe by 
the time I die....

I'm going to be glad to move into making clips for the chorus part of 
the CD. Far less to have to try and get out, if anything. Just trucks, 
cars, airplanes, trains, irrigation pumps, barking dogs, cows......

Certainly communicability is a very important consideration in our 
recordings. My recommendation of using a sonogram while doing filtering 
and other processing is that it will help that process, not hinder it. 
More than half the frogs I've processed have multifrequency calls. Our 
ears hear it like it's a single call, but the sonogram shows all those 
parts of the call, even the faint parts. It makes it a lot easier to 
know that if you intrude above, say 400hz with a Eastern Spadefoot call 
that you will be hitting the low part of his call. And even more of a 
problem is the upper part, if removed it only makes a slight difference 
in the call by ear, and those unfamiliar with the call would probably 
not notice. But somewhere down the road someone is going to say it does 
not sound right. In my case, with the two recordings I've managed of 
this elusive species the sonogram tells me this upper part also overlaps 
calls of other species in the recording I'd love to remove. I work both 
listening and sonograms to juggle such things.

If we go entirely to what we can hear by ear, I expect no more arguments 
against minidisc based on they might remove something we don't hear :-)

Sonograms are also part of learning about these calls, and other sounds 
too. They tell us a great deal about how the call is built by the 
animal. Details that are hard to pick out by ear.

There is one other reason why I use sonograms. My old ears do not hear 
high pitched sounds well. If I went by what I hear, younger ears are 
going to complain. I can not accurately filter the upper half of the 
audio band by ear. But I certainly can see on a sonogram what happened.

Nature recording grew out of Scientific recording. It really first began 
to be noticed by the general public only recently with the publication 
of whale sounds being the first big push. We now have folks moving into 
nature recording with no connection to science whatsoever. Many of these 
come from the world of music recording, and bring their traditions with 
them. There is nothing at all wrong with this, or the interest in nature 
recordings as pure entertainment. But there is a problem if we then end 
up attempting to make nature recording conform to just those traditions. 
Nature recording will use what's useful out of that, of course, but it's 
got it's own unique set of problems and goals. This will be reflected in 
how we go about our craft. Like the use of sonograms, which many music 
recordists seem to find so strange, and are so natural for a scientist 
like me. I find some of the tests they do equally strange as they are 
really tests of how well your analog tape recorder is doing, or 
something like that. I was around when many of those tests were first 
popularized.

Walt




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