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listing: do you need to see the bird?

To: Philip Veerman <>
Subject: listing: do you need to see the bird?
From: Terry Munro via Canberrabirds <>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 07:01:25 +0000
The Figbird was at the southern end of the new bridge probably related to the 
one in the photo.
The duck hybrids were indeed at the wetland near the museum Phillip mentioned.
Terry Munro

> On 26 Feb 2021, at 5:54 pm, Philip Veerman <> wrote:
>
> Bad typing, I left out a "not". I suggest most of us would not obtain the
> same level of satisfaction..............
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Canberrabirds
>  On Behalf Of
> Philip Veerman
> Sent: Friday, 26 February, 2021 5:50 PM
> To: 'Peter'; 
> Subject: Re: [Canberrabirds] listing: do you need to see the bird?
>
> This is a recurring question. I doubt there will be a consensus, there might
> not even be a majority view more than 60 / 40 (%).The wording of "whether
> ... should be" sort of implies (to me) that this is asked as a moralistic
> question, which is overstating it. I suggest it is only a practical or
> personal preference question. I always think it is up to whatever the
> individual wants to do and they can say I have the "greater spotted dodo" on
> my list on the basis "that I heard it". The qualification will always be
> there. I suggest most of us would obtain the same level of satisfaction from
> a heard only one time observation. Though there are birds for which the
> hearing is more impressive or distinctive than the seeing. It doesn't impact
> anyone else. If people wish to compete, then use similar answers to these
> and a range of other questions.
>
> Philip
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Canberrabirds
>  On Behalf Of Peter
> Sent: Thursday, 25 February, 2021 8:55 PM
> To: 
> Subject: [Canberrabirds] listing: do you need to see the bird?
>
> My brother-in-law is a bird guide in South Africa. He's taking part in
> an online panel discussion organised by Birding SA to discuss whether
> "heard only" birds should be included in "lifer" type lists. In the
> interest of being informed, he asked me if there was a consensus in
> Australia around this question.  Clearly, bird surveying relies heavily
> on heard birds, but this was more of a listing type question. I heard
> the "greater spotted dodo", but didn't want to disturb, so can still
> count it on my list....
>
> What do people who keep serious lists here in Canberra think?
>
> thanks,
>
> Peter Miller
>
>
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