listing: do you need to see the bird?

To: 'Peter' <>, "" <>
Subject: listing: do you need to see the bird?
From: Philip Veerman <>
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 06:49:53 +0000
This is a recurring question. I doubt there will be a consensus, there might 
not even be a majority view more than 60 / 40 (%).The wording of "whether ... 
should be" sort of implies (to me) that this is asked as a moralistic question, 
which is overstating it. I suggest it is only a practical or personal 
preference question. I always think it is up to whatever the individual wants 
to do and they can say I have the "greater spotted dodo" on my list on the 
basis "that I heard it". The qualification will always be there. I suggest most 
of us would obtain the same level of satisfaction from a heard only one time 
observation. Though there are birds for which the hearing is more impressive or 
distinctive than the seeing. It doesn't impact anyone else. If people wish to 
compete, then use similar answers to these and a range of other questions.


-----Original Message-----
From: Canberrabirds  
On Behalf Of Peter
Sent: Thursday, 25 February, 2021 8:55 PM
Subject: listing: do you need to see the bird?

My brother-in-law is a bird guide in South Africa. He's taking part in
an online panel discussion organised by Birding SA to discuss whether
"heard only" birds should be included in "lifer" type lists. In the
interest of being informed, he asked me if there was a consensus in
Australia around this question.  Clearly, bird surveying relies heavily
on heard birds, but this was more of a listing type question. I heard
the "greater spotted dodo", but didn't want to disturb, so can still
count it on my list....

What do people who keep serious lists here in Canberra think?


Peter Miller

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