Re: FW: [canberrabirds] What Bird is This?

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Subject: Re: FW: [canberrabirds] What Bird is This?
From: David Rees <>
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 23:50:24 +0000

Re Chukor, situation in NZ, where it is established, but declining is set out in detail here.

By the way, this site is a handy way to get access to numerous bits of HANZAB

Looking at the distribution it seems to be confined to the dry side of the southern Alps,  sort of similar to open grassland habitats in our region.  Even there it is struggling.  Doubt this bird would ever be a 'serious threat to agriculture'.  There are plenty of much worse things out there already not properly being attended to, like noxious weeds etc.  Plenty of foxes etc. also to give such a bird a hard time esp. during 'establishment'. 

Saying that does not mean I condone a 'deliberate' release, if that is what this is, I do not and, as such, it would be against the law.  However, having worked in the biosecurity space I am more than aware that 'incursions' of exotics are much more common than people generally think they are but successful establishments are much rarer. 'Stochastic' events are your friend here and Australia is not an easy place to get going in.  Worth keeping an eye on though.  Stick it on Canberra Naturemap, one would imagine that primary 'legal' responsibility here rests with ACT Parks and Wildlife Service, with help from the Canberra community.


On 26/08/2019 8:50 pm, David McDonald (personal) wrote:
Martin may have in mind FeralScan but fortunately that ugly pigeon is not (yet) a feral species in COG's area.

On 2019-08-26 20:46, Martin Butterfield wrote:

Surely the important thing is to put it in a record - perhaps not one for recreational birding - somewhere  so that if there is a second one nearby and they start breeding the source of the infestation, like an outbreak of a noxious disease, can be known.  Surely this will be useful in control  efforts.  
I seem to recall there is a multi-purpose feral recording system used for deer and pigs which gets some official pest control attention.  Perhaps that is the starting point for invasive birds.

On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 at 19:20, David McDonald (personal) <> wrote:
The taxon Chukar partridge Alectoris chukar is on the Supplementary List to the Working List of Aust Birds, v2.1, as a 'failed introduction'. Not having established a self-sustaining population in Australia, it is hard to imagine how it could go on any official list of the birds of Australia.
- David

On 2019-08-26 18:54, Geoffrey Dabb wrote:

I take these to be serious questions.  Let us assume the bird has escaped from captivity.  The best way to arrive at an answer to each of the questions is for the record to be submitted to each repository.  That in turn raises the question: who can submit the record in each case?  Perhaps not Philip, on the basis of a second-hand chatline report.  Paul?  Well, does he absolutely trust the photographer friend? Is the friend interested in taking the matter further?


To explore just one of the suggested reporting avenues, I tried to bring up 'Chukar Partridge' in eBird. No such species is recognised.  You will have more luck with 'Chukar'.   That species is certainly recorded beyond its natural range  -  in New Zealand and Hawaii for example.  Does it need to have been officially listed in those places?  Once again, best to just give it a go.  Personally. I would be inclined to wait for the appearance of a second Chukar, preferably not at the Pinnacle.


From: Philip Veerman <>
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 6:03 PM
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Subject: RE: [canberrabirds] What Bird is This?


Next question is: can that Chukar Partridge go on the formal record? If not ebird or COG's record, then on Canberra nature map....


From: Paul Fennell
Sent: Monday, 26 August, 2019 3:21 PM
To: Canberrabirds
Subject: [canberrabirds] What Bird is This?




A friend of mine says he photographed it at The Pinnacle.






Paul Fennell
Editor, COG Annual Bird Report


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