RE: FW: [canberrabirds] What Bird is This?

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Subject: RE: FW: [canberrabirds] What Bird is This?
From: Philip Veerman <>
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:00:56 +0000

Thanks for comments. I was not really asking if the bird goes on an official list in the sense I think David is referring to. That has another purpose. However keeping a record is potentially valuable, for example if a species in future becomes established, then there is something on which to have a history. Also there is something to learn from the ratios at which a species is kept in captivity compared to that at which it is observed presumably escaped or released. The comparisons of frequencies of numbers of budgerigars, cockatiels, canaries, zebra finches etc.


From: David McDonald (personal) [
Sent: Monday, 26 August, 2019 7:21 PM
To: Canberrabirds
Subject: Re: FW: [canberrabirds] What Bird is This?


The taxon Chukar partridge Alectoris chukar is on the Supplementary List to the Working List of Aust Birds, v2.1, as a 'failed introduction'. Not having established a self-sustaining population in Australia, it is hard to imagine how it could go on any official list of the birds of Australia.
- David

On 2019-08-26 18:54, Geoffrey Dabb wrote:

I take these to be serious questions.  Let us assume the bird has escaped from captivity.  The best way to arrive at an answer to each of the questions is for the record to be submitted to each repository.  That in turn raises the question: who can submit the record in each case?  Perhaps not Philip, on the basis of a second-hand chatline report.  Paul?  Well, does he absolutely trust the photographer friend? Is the friend interested in taking the matter further?


To explore just one of the suggested reporting avenues, I tried to bring up ‘Chukar Partridge’ in eBird. No such species is recognised.  You will have more luck with ‘Chukar’.   That species is certainly recorded beyond its natural range  -  in New Zealand and Hawaii for example.  Does it need to have been officially listed in those places?  Once again, best to just give it a go.  Personally. I would be inclined to wait for the appearance of a second Chukar, preferably not at the Pinnacle.


From: Philip Veerman <>
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2019 6:03 PM
To: 'Canberrabirds' <>
Subject: RE: [canberrabirds] What Bird is This?


Next question is: can that Chukar Partridge go on the formal record? If not ebird or COG’s record, then on Canberra nature map….


From: Paul Fennell
Sent: Monday, 26 August, 2019 3:21 PM
To: Canberrabirds
Subject: [canberrabirds] What Bird is This?




A friend of mine says he photographed it at The Pinnacle.






Paul Fennell
Editor, COG Annual Bird Report


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