FW: [canberrabirds] citizen scientists

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Subject: FW: [canberrabirds] citizen scientists
From: John Harris <>
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 06:22:08 +0000


Citizen Science?

Regarding King Solomon, about 1,000 BCE

“And he spake of trees, from the cedar tree that is in Lebanon even unto the weed that groweth in the crevice in the wall. He spake also of beasts and of fowl and of creeping things and of fishes.” (1 Kings 4:33)

Does a king qualify as a citizen?




From: "" <>
Date: Sunday, 24 February 2019 at 2:49 pm
To: Sue Beatty <>
Cc: "" <>, Geoffrey Dabb <>, chatline <>
Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] Some good news for Eastern Curlews?


I hope the rest of the article is more correct than this "Professor Justin Marshall, the chief investigator at Coral Watch, said birdwatching was the oldest form of citizen science, originating in the United States."  


By way of example 

  • The Natural History of Selborne is a book by English naturalist and ornithologist Gilbert White. It was first published in 1789.
  • John James Audubon (born Jean Rabin; April 26, 1785 – January 27, 1851). so unless Audubon was shotting at the age of 4 he was well behind Gilbert White

Perhaps he is on about the Christmas Bird  Count which started in 1900?  Nice try no cigar: the RSPB was founded in 1889!  


Googling the Professor's name he seems to be, surprisingly in view of that statement, of British birth arther than from the US.




On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 at 14:31, Sue Beatty <> wrote:

From ABC news:





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Sent: Sunday, 24 February 2019 2:12 PM
To: 'Geoffrey Dabb' <>;
Subject: RE: [canberrabirds] A departure from pelicans & pigeons


Interesting Geoffrey.  Some years ago I had a farm at Hoskinstown and my then wife used to breed and show Basenji dogs.  On two separate occasions I saved a Basenji from an attack by a Wedge-tailed Eagle.  On each occasion the eagle was in a dive at the dog and only broke off the attack when I rushed it.  Whether it would have picked up the dog remains an unanswered question.  The basenji, for those unfamiliar, is about fox terrier size and red in colour (easily mistaken for a fox?).






From: Geoffrey Dabb <>
Sent: Sunday, 24 February 2019 12:49 PM
Subject: FW: [canberrabirds] A departure from pelicans & pigeons


Ah, the folklore of the chihuahua.  Soon after I came to Canberra in 1980 there was an Ian Warden column about a Wedge-tailed Eagle taking one in the rural area to our east.  It concluded with the advice: “Canberrans should keep the chihuahua in the Saab when they go peach-buying at Araluen”, a story which in the present telling is clearly dated by the relative unfashionability of (a) Saabs and (b) chihuahuas.  Myself, I remember when Afghan Hounds were all the rage, and nobody had heard of Afghanistan.  The dogs kept by the merchants of Rottweil and the court of Weimar are another matter again. Do we stray from the mandated subject of this chatline?


From: John Harris <>
Sent: Sunday, 24 February 2019 12:27 PM
To: Canberra birds <>
Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] A departure from pelicans & pigeons


The pelican earing the chihuahua story has been around for a long time,. It wsa chasing seagulls before being swooped upon in the version I heard. Could be an urban myth but certainly not impossible. I know they very accurately scoop up rats at north coastal tips.





From: Graeme Clifton <>
Date: Sunday, 24 February 2019 at 11:53 am
To: John Layton <>
Cc: chatline <>
Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] A departure from pelicans & pigeons


I don’t know about the accuracy of the conclusions in the snake/wallaby story but what about the pelican eating a Chihuahua on the esplanade at The Entrance on the Central Coast of NSW.  Surely an urban myth.


Graeme Clifton

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On 24 Feb 2019, at 10:48 am, John Layton <> wrote:

Some 20 years ago I watched a news item about a huge python found dead beside a North Queensland road. The snake had a large bulge in its belly which a post mortem revealed to be a small wallaby. Informed opinion speculated the wallaby was alive and kicking (emphasis on kicking) after being swallowed and all the internal turbulence brought about the python’s demise. Talk about a kick in the guts.


John Layton



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