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Meanwhile, in the Netherlands, public safety is improving and they are closing down many jails. Maybe we could learn a thing or two...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-prisons-are-closing-because-the-country-is-so-safe-a7765521.html
On 2/26/2018 11:52 AM, Geoffrey Dabb wrote:
Thank you David. I have a feeling that ill-disposed persons at Kelly Swamp, with moderate powers of observation, will be able to tell which cars are not bait
cars. Perhaps the strategy might surprise just one (the first) offender.
From: David Rees [m("gmail.com","dprbirdlist");">]
Sent: Monday, 26 February 2018 9:45 AM
To: Geoffrey Dabb
Cc: m("canberrabirds.org.au","canberrabirds");">
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Subject: Re: FW: [canberrabirds] Vehicle security
On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:15 AM, Geoffrey Dabb <> wrote:
Gee, that sounds a little expensive David. I would like to see some video of a person caught inside
a vehicle a vehicle if you can refer me to a website.
From: David
Rees [
Sent: Monday, 26 February 2018 7:40 AM
To: Martin Butterfield
Cc: Don Fletcher; Terry Bell; chatline canberrabirds
Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] Vehicle security
I know of parts of the world where the standard practice by the local plod for catching thieves of this nature is the use of a 'honeypot car'. You get in to nick stuff and it photographs
you on the inside, or it locks you in, with a nice loud alarm, till 'help' arrives.
On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 7:02 AM, Martin Butterfield <> wrote:
If they had a camera in situ
the assertion that it was someone (or, from the word perpetrators, someones - are they going around in gangs?) unidentifiable wearing a hoodie could be tested!
While COG members taking on the suggested role of vigilantes would be good for the ACT budget, I would
have thought that ACT Police had people with skills in positioning security cameras so that they could cover people wearing hoodies.
On 25 February 2018 at 22:26, Don Fletcher <> wrote:
One person thought the perpetrators were riding bicycles and wearing
hoodies, making them hard to identify from security cameras. Security
cameras mostly look down (the wrong way to see inside a hood) have a wide
view, and many are not good enough quality to image a hooded face on a
sunny day.
The technical challenge with getting recognisable photos of faces of
hooded bike riders is comparable to some bird photography. COG has many
people with extraordinary photographic skill, and experience photographing
wild animals without being detected .....
Don Fletcher
0428 48 9990
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From: Terry Bell [
Sent: Sunday, 25 February 2018 9:54 PM
To: chatline canberrabirds <>
Subject: Vehicle security
Now that this ultra important issue has arrived in the public arena I wish
to put forward my views as a rank and file COG member.
There is no other issue of such vital urgency that demands the attention
of the elected COG executive which has always been recognised as a
powerful lobby group within the framework of the ACT Government.
The current situation where many of our plus 400 members and birdwatchers
with expensive equipment are too frightened to park their cars at our
favourite sites cannot be allowed to continue.
Surely, the misguided and ludicrous idea recently promoted by someone ,
who should remain nameless, that individual members should enter into
dialogue with the ACT Government is an extreme minority _expression_ that
should be ignored.
Sent from my iPad
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