Re: FW: [canberrabirds] Scarlet Robin

[David Rees <>]

Given the ACT is surrounded by NSW and the border is just a human construct  I would agree with you.  If the ACT contained populations of something where all or almost all of it was just in the territory then some local listing would make sense.  No bird species fits into that category, though some reptiles might. We are just a small part of greater south eastern Australia.  

On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Geoffrey Dabb <> wrote:

Here again then.  My view is that the statutory  concept of ‘threatened’ (which depends on the meaning of  ‘extinct’) does not make much sense in relation to birds in the ACT.  Most complaints and misunderstandings about status determination come back to that dilemma.   I made a submission on the review of the Act at the time.  Attached is a more recent note.

 

 

From: David Rees [
Sent: Saturday, 9 April 2016 7:59 AM
To: Mark Clayton
Cc: COG List
Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] Scarlet Robin

 

Mark

 

Mark I agree when I look at the data I can see many species with more worrying status than the Scarlet Robin. Why was this one picked?

 

I have had dealings with the current Environment Minister and I have not been impressed.  Much of what is going on is green wash.

 

David

 

 

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Mark Clayton <> wrote:

Hi all,

 

Having birded locally in and around Canberra for over 50 years, I don’t need graphs to tell me that the robin and many other species are declining. I had to laugh when I read the Canberra Times article asking for comments on the draft plan of management for the species. There is one, and only one, simple answer – STOP BUILDING HOUSES ON THE BIRD’S HABITAT – it really is that simple. We destroy valuable natural habitat for housing and use a clapped out piece of former pine plantation eminently suitable for housing to put in a totally environmental UNfriendly useless arboretum. I have looked at the current ACT list (I was on a committee that reviewed the status of the ACT’s birds) and from memory there were 72 species that COG should be keeping records on. Many of these to my way of thinking are in a far worse situation than the Scarlet Robin. One of these days I will get around to writing something on my thoughts (Michael Lenz don’t hold your breath) for Canberra Bird Notes. Many of the species involved will rarely figure in the GBS survey so that source of information is not very good.

 

Whatever comes out of the plan I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for the current ACT environment minister (who won’t be there after the next local election) to do anything constructive. I have had numerous dealings with him via email and found he is at best ignorant and at worst stupid when it come to the local environment. The same goes for the Chief Minister who is just plain arrogant. The dollar will come before everything else with the environment generally last in their thinking. Several people on the chat line have commented on proposals to build new suburbs or extra housing in existing areas. No-one from the government will take any notice of you or of COG. I wish you well trying to stop development but you are really flogging a dead horse. The only thing that scares me more than this current government is the thought of what the Liberal Party will do to the so called “Bush Capital”.

 

Mark

 

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