I am a little surprised the obvious injury feigning/distraction display has not been mentioned in the records. (Or is that the ‘Display’?) Both species do this. Perhaps this was seen, but overtaken by discovery of the nests. 
From: Martin Butterfield [
Sent: Monday, 28 October 2013 7:51 AM
To: Wallaces
Cc: Canberra birds
Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] Red-kneed Dotterel on nest Thanks Steve. Why didn't I think to look up HANZAB? The material therein suggests that the Red-Kneed prefers to nest on dirt or vegetation in a more covered site than the Black-fronted. I was also surprised to find that while both are members of the family Charadriidae (Plovers and Lapwings) the Red-kneed is shown as a member of the Sub-family Vanellinae (Lapwings) rather than Charadriinae (plovers) On 27 October 2013 22:03, Wallaces <> wrote: There are 40 breeding records for Black-fronted Dotterel, the majority from the ACT. As to why there is a difference, apart from the obvious that they have different breeding requirements and Black-fronted Dotterels are recorded more frequently than Red-kneed Dotterels in the COG AOI, I don’t know and I do not have access to HANZAB to check if it has any suggestions. Steve Breeding records only RAOUName | NbrObserved | ObservationDate | Year ending 30 June | GridNbr | State | BreedingCodeDescription | Location | Black-fronted Dotterel | 3 | 25-Dec-12 | 2013 | L12 | ACT | Dependent young | Lyneham Yowani Golf Club(L12) | Black-fronted Dotterel | 3 | 25-Dec-12 | 2013 | L12 | ACT | Dependent young | Lyneham Yowani Golf Club(L12) | Black-fronted Dotterel | 2 | 27-Oct-12 | 2013 | F13 | ACT | Dependent young | Fairlight Homestead Dam | Black-fronted Dotterel | 2 | 22-Jan-12 | 2012 | G12 | ACT | Nest with eggs | Urriara East recreation area | Black-fronted Dotterel | 2 | 07-Jan-12 | 2012 | M14 | ACT | Bird on or seen leaving nest | Fyshwick Sewerage Pond - far right | Black-fronted Dotterel | 2 | 30-Oct-10 | 2011 | J19 | ACT | Copulation | Tharwa Sandwash(J19) | Black-fronted Dotterel | 4 | 20-Feb-09 | 2009 | J19 | ACT | Dependent young | Tharwa Sandwash(J19) | Black-fronted Dotterel | 4 | 17-Nov-08 | 2009 | Q16 | NSW | Dependent young | Carwoola 60 Whiskers Creek Road (Q16) | Black-fronted Dotterel | 2 | 23-Sep-07 | 2008 | J19 | ACT | Copulation | Tharwa Sandwash(J19) | Black-fronted Dotterel | 5 | 21-Jan-07 | 2007 | L14 | ACT | Dependent young | Paddocks to north of Kellys carpark, including paleochannels & Molonglo Reach | Black-fronted Dotterel | 6 | 02-Dec-06 | 2007 | L14 | ACT | Dependent young | Kellys Swamp | Black-fronted Dotterel | | 01-Sep-06 | 2007 | K03 | NSW | Breeding | Woodlands | Black-fronted Dotterel | 2 | 18-Feb-06 | 2006 | G12 | ACT | Dependent young | Uriarra Crossing | Black-fronted Dotterel | 3 | 21-Feb-04 | 2004 | L14 | ACT | Dependent young | Kellys Swamp, Jerrabomberra Wetlands, CNP | Black-fronted Dotterel | 3 | 09-Jan-04 | 2004 | J19 | ACT | Dependent young | Tharwa Sandwash Reserve | Black-fronted Dotterel | 2 | 15-Oct-98 | 1999 | G12 | ACT | Copulation | Woodstock Nature Reserve. 300m down stream of Uriarra Crossing. Eastern side of Murrumbidgee. | Black-fronted Dotterel | 2 | 15-Oct-98 | 1999 | G12 | ACT | Copulation | Woodstock Nature Reserve. 300m downstream from Uriarra Crossing, eastern side of Murrumbidgee. | Black-fronted Dotterel | 3 | 04-Jan-98 | 1998 | O21 | NSW | Dependent young | 1km WNW of confluence of Lighthouse Ck and Queanbeyan R | Black-fronted Dotterel | 2 | 01-Jan-98 | 1998 | L14 | ACT | Dependent young | Kellys Swamp | Black-fronted Dotterel | 1 | 11-Dec-94 | 1995 | L14 | ACT | Dependent young | Jerrabomberra Wetlands | Black-fronted Dotterel | 5 | 04-Dec-94 | 1995 | L14 | ACT | Dependent young | Jerrabomberra Wetlands | Black-fronted Dotterel | 3 | 04-Dec-94 | 1995 | M15 | ACT | Breeding | Jerrabomberra Wetlands | Black-fronted Dotterel | 2 | 21-Nov-94 | 1995 | S25 | NSW | Nest with eggs | Captains Flat to Jerangle Road, at 'Clea' property | Black-fronted Dotterel | 16 | 06-Mar-94 | 1994 | L14 | ACT | Dependent young | Kellys Swamp, Fyshwick sewage ponds | Black-fronted Dotterel | 14 | 27-Feb-92 | 1992 | E07 | NSW | Nest with eggs | Murrumbidgee R & Burrinjuck Res W of Taemas Bridge | Black-fronted Dotterel | 1 | 27-Jan-91 | 1991 | C07 | NSW | Display | Yass Road near "Salt Box" Hs | Black-fronted Dotterel | 1 | 18-Nov-90 | 1991 | L03 | NSW | Nest with eggs | Yellangalo | Black-fronted Dotterel | 1 | 06-Jan-90 | 1990 | J19 | ACT | Bird on or seen leaving nest | Smith's Rd, Murrumbidgee River, Gudgenby River | Black-fronted Dotterel | 1 | 05-Nov-89 | 1990 | L14 | ACT | Dependent young | Jerrabomberra Wetlands/sewage ponds | Black-fronted Dotterel | 1 | 01-Feb-89 | 1989 | G13 | ACT | Nest with eggs | MURRUMBIDGEE RIVER | Black-fronted Dotterel | 1 | 29-Jan-89 | 1989 | J22 | ACT | Dependent young | NAAS RD/RIVER | Black-fronted Dotterel | 1 | 15-Nov-88 | 1989 | I13 | ACT | Nest with eggs | VARIOUS | Black-fronted Dotterel | 1 | 29-Nov-87 | 1988 | J22 | ACT | Dependent young | NAAS VALLEY | Black-fronted Dotterel | 1 | 01-Sep-87 | 1988 | J17 | ACT | Nest with eggs | SILT/TUGG/STR PONDS | Black-fronted Dotterel | 1 | 14-Dec-86 | 1987 | G12 | ACT | Nest with eggs | URIARRA CROSSING | Black-fronted Dotterel | 1 | 10-Dec-86 | 1987 | G12 | ACT | Nest with eggs | URIARRA CROSSING | Black-fronted Dotterel | 1 | 15-Nov-86 | 1987 | I16 | ACT | Nest with eggs | KAM POOL - RR GORGE | Black-fronted Dotterel | 4 | 14-Dec-80 | 1981 | Y08 | NSW | Dependent young | Lake Bathurst, west basin | Black-fronted Dotterel | 6 | 21-Oct-79 | 1980 | L14 | ACT | Dependent young | Lake Burley Griffin, Section 1 | Black-fronted Dotterel | 15 | 09-Mar-75 | 1975 | L14 | ACT | Dependent young | Kellys Swamp, Jerrabomberra Wetlands |
From: Martin Butterfield [mailto:m("gmail.com","martinflab");" target="_blank">]
Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 9:08 PM
To: Wallaces
Cc: Canberra birds
Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] Red-kneed Dotterel on nest Reflecting on the Carwoola area this seems to be an interesting difference to the Black-fronted Dotterel which are common breeders here. We haven't recorded presence of a Red-kneed in the area in my 7 years, let alone breeding. (Of course R-k D are regulars not too far away on Lake Road.) At your convenience, what does the DB say about breeding of the Black-fronted? And do you have any idea why there might be a difference between two apparently similar species? On 27 October 2013 19:31, Wallaces <m("bigpond.net.au","skcbf");" target="_blank">> wrote: I have been watching a Red-kneed Dotterel at Kellys Swamp for over 5 hours on three out the the last four days. It is always sitting in the same spot except for a few short periods when it left for a stretch and a quick feed before returning and settling. While it is not possible to see the eggs, I am convinced that it is incubating. According to the COG database, Eremaea and Steve Wilson’s Birds of the ACT, this is the first record of a nest in the ACT. Copulation has been recorded previously and there was plenty of this from another pair at Kellys so perhaps there will be more than one nest. Hopefully it will be confirmed by young in a few weeks. Dependent young have been recorded in the past from the COG Area of Interest but not from within the ACT, according to the records in the COG database. Steve
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