Red-kneed Dotterel on nest

[Martin Butterfield <>]

Thanks Steve.

Why didn't I think to look up HANZAB?  The material therein suggests that the Red-Kneed prefers to nest on dirt or vegetation in a more covered site than the Black-fronted.  

I was also surprised to find that while both are members of the family Charadriidae (Plovers and Lapwings) the Red-kneed is shown as a member of the Sub-family Vanellinae (Lapwings) rather than Charadriinae (plovers)

On 27 October 2013 22:03, Wallaces <> wrote:

There are 40 breeding records for Black-fronted Dotterel, the majority from the ACT. As to why there is a difference, apart from the obvious that they have different breeding requirements and Black-fronted Dotterels are recorded more frequently than Red-kneed Dotterels in the COG AOI,  I don’t know and I do not have access to HANZAB to check if it has any suggestions.

 

Steve

 

Breeding records only

RAOUName	NbrObserved	ObservationDate	Year ending 30 June	GridNbr	State	BreedingCodeDescription	Location
Black-fronted Dotterel	3	25-Dec-12	2013	L12	ACT	Dependent young	Lyneham Yowani Golf Club(L12)
Black-fronted Dotterel	3	25-Dec-12	2013	L12	ACT	Dependent young	Lyneham Yowani Golf Club(L12)
Black-fronted Dotterel	2	27-Oct-12	2013	F13	ACT	Dependent young	Fairlight Homestead Dam
Black-fronted Dotterel	2	22-Jan-12	2012	G12	ACT	Nest with eggs	Urriara East recreation area
Black-fronted Dotterel	2	07-Jan-12	2012	M14	ACT	Bird on or seen leaving nest	Fyshwick Sewerage Pond - far right
Black-fronted Dotterel	2	30-Oct-10	2011	J19	ACT	Copulation	Tharwa Sandwash(J19)
Black-fronted Dotterel	4	20-Feb-09	2009	J19	ACT	Dependent young	Tharwa Sandwash(J19)
Black-fronted Dotterel	4	17-Nov-08	2009	Q16	NSW	Dependent young	Carwoola 60 Whiskers Creek Road (Q16)
Black-fronted Dotterel	2	23-Sep-07	2008	J19	ACT	Copulation	Tharwa Sandwash(J19)
Black-fronted Dotterel	5	21-Jan-07	2007	L14	ACT	Dependent young	Paddocks to north of Kellys carpark, including paleochannels & Molonglo Reach
Black-fronted Dotterel	6	02-Dec-06	2007	L14	ACT	Dependent young	Kellys Swamp
Black-fronted Dotterel		01-Sep-06	2007	K03	NSW	Breeding	Woodlands
Black-fronted Dotterel	2	18-Feb-06	2006	G12	ACT	Dependent young	Uriarra Crossing
Black-fronted Dotterel	3	21-Feb-04	2004	L14	ACT	Dependent young	Kellys Swamp, Jerrabomberra Wetlands, CNP
Black-fronted Dotterel	3	09-Jan-04	2004	J19	ACT	Dependent young	Tharwa Sandwash Reserve
Black-fronted Dotterel	2	15-Oct-98	1999	G12	ACT	Copulation	Woodstock Nature Reserve.  300m down stream of Uriarra Crossing.  Eastern side of Murrumbidgee.
Black-fronted Dotterel	2	15-Oct-98	1999	G12	ACT	Copulation	Woodstock Nature Reserve.  300m downstream from Uriarra Crossing, eastern side of Murrumbidgee.
Black-fronted Dotterel	3	04-Jan-98	1998	O21	NSW	Dependent young	1km WNW of confluence of Lighthouse Ck and Queanbeyan R
Black-fronted Dotterel	2	01-Jan-98	1998	L14	ACT	Dependent young	Kellys Swamp
Black-fronted Dotterel	1	11-Dec-94	1995	L14	ACT	Dependent young	Jerrabomberra Wetlands
Black-fronted Dotterel	5	04-Dec-94	1995	L14	ACT	Dependent young	Jerrabomberra Wetlands
Black-fronted Dotterel	3	04-Dec-94	1995	M15	ACT	Breeding	Jerrabomberra Wetlands
Black-fronted Dotterel	2	21-Nov-94	1995	S25	NSW	Nest with eggs	Captains Flat to Jerangle Road, at 'Clea' property
Black-fronted Dotterel	16	06-Mar-94	1994	L14	ACT	Dependent young	Kellys Swamp, Fyshwick sewage ponds
Black-fronted Dotterel	14	27-Feb-92	1992	E07	NSW	Nest with eggs	Murrumbidgee R & Burrinjuck Res W of Taemas Bridge
Black-fronted Dotterel	1	27-Jan-91	1991	C07	NSW	Display	Yass Road near "Salt Box" Hs
Black-fronted Dotterel	1	18-Nov-90	1991	L03	NSW	Nest with eggs	Yellangalo
Black-fronted Dotterel	1	06-Jan-90	1990	J19	ACT	Bird on or seen leaving nest	Smith's Rd, Murrumbidgee River, Gudgenby River
Black-fronted Dotterel	1	05-Nov-89	1990	L14	ACT	Dependent young	Jerrabomberra Wetlands/sewage ponds
Black-fronted Dotterel	1	01-Feb-89	1989	G13	ACT	Nest with eggs	MURRUMBIDGEE RIVER
Black-fronted Dotterel	1	29-Jan-89	1989	J22	ACT	Dependent young	NAAS RD/RIVER
Black-fronted Dotterel	1	15-Nov-88	1989	I13	ACT	Nest with eggs	VARIOUS
Black-fronted Dotterel	1	29-Nov-87	1988	J22	ACT	Dependent young	NAAS VALLEY
Black-fronted Dotterel	1	01-Sep-87	1988	J17	ACT	Nest with eggs	SILT/TUGG/STR PONDS
Black-fronted Dotterel	1	14-Dec-86	1987	G12	ACT	Nest with eggs	URIARRA CROSSING
Black-fronted Dotterel	1	10-Dec-86	1987	G12	ACT	Nest with eggs	URIARRA CROSSING
Black-fronted Dotterel	1	15-Nov-86	1987	I16	ACT	Nest with eggs	KAM POOL - RR GORGE
Black-fronted Dotterel	4	14-Dec-80	1981	Y08	NSW	Dependent young	Lake Bathurst, west basin
Black-fronted Dotterel	6	21-Oct-79	1980	L14	ACT	Dependent young	Lake Burley Griffin, Section 1
Black-fronted Dotterel	15	09-Mar-75	1975	L14	ACT	Dependent young	Kellys Swamp, Jerrabomberra Wetlands

 

 

From: Martin Butterfield [
Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013 9:08 PM
To: Wallaces
Cc: Canberra birds
Subject: Re: [canberrabirds] Red-kneed Dotterel on nest

 

Reflecting on the Carwoola area this seems to be an interesting difference to the Black-fronted Dotterel which are common breeders here.  We haven't recorded presence of a Red-kneed in the area in my 7 years, let alone breeding.  (Of course R-k D are regulars not too far away on Lake Road.)  

 

At your convenience, what does the DB say about breeding of the Black-fronted?  And do you have any idea why there might be a difference between two apparently similar species?

 

Martin

 

On 27 October 2013 19:31, Wallaces <> wrote:

I have been watching a Red-kneed Dotterel at Kellys Swamp for over 5 hours on three out the the last four days. It is always sitting in the same spot except for a few short periods when it left for a stretch and a quick feed before returning and settling. While it is not possible to see the eggs, I am convinced that it is incubating. According to the COG database, Eremaea and Steve Wilson’s Birds of the ACT, this is the first record of a nest in the ACT. Copulation has been recorded previously and there was plenty of this from another pair at Kellys so perhaps there will be more than one nest. Hopefully it will be confirmed by young in a few weeks.  Dependent young have been recorded in the past from the COG Area of Interest but not from within the ACT, according to the records in the COG database.

 

Steve

 

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