snipe naming/nomenclature

[martin butterfield <>]

Paul

Thank you, but at 2.5Mb I passed on downloading this epic.  

Martin

On 2 October 2012 11:53, Paul Fennell <> wrote:

Bill and Martin

 

I was intrigued by your emails about the two snipe, and started googling the difference.  I came across this highly erudite article which is too big and complex for me to read, but has a lovely lot of diagrams labelled phylogenetic analyses of Charadriiformes.  There appears to be considerable evidence that they are not close relatives, but the conversation continues….

 

See diagram on page 13

There are some Australian references:

Christian P, Christidis DL, Schodde R. 1992a. Biochemical systematics of the Charadriiformes (shorebirds): relationships between Charadrii, Scolopaci, Lari. Australian

Journal of Zoology 40: 291–302.

Christian P, Christidis DL, Schodde R. 1992b. Biochemical systematics of the Australian dotterels and plovers

(Charadriiformes: Charadriidae). Australian Journal of

Zoology 40: 225–233.

 

http://www.carnegiemnh.org/assets/science/birds/livezey.1096-3642.2010.00635.x.pdf

 

Cheers

 

Paul

 

Paul Fennell

 

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Bill

 

A good point.  I think  at the moment petition central is fully focused on Alan Jones so we had better go for the competition route with Messrs Christidis and Boles as the judges.  The first question is what gets changed: the Latin (ie family classification) or the English?  A second question could become which species gets changed?

 

Martin

 

On 2 October 2012 09:36, Bill & Raelene Graham <> wrote:

As a newcomer to the study of wetland birds, I was surprised to find the Latham’s Snipe page of Simpson and Day had no Painted Snipe. Further investigation showed Latham’s are grouped under Scolopacidae while Painted are in Rostratulidae. This is confusing. Is it not time for a petition or competition to rectify this silly situation?

Bill Graham

 

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Martin Butterfield

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Martin Butterfield

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