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Identifying dependant young bronze-cuckoos [SEC=UNCLASSI

To: "'Damien Farine'" <>, <>
Subject: Identifying dependant young bronze-cuckoos [SEC=UNCLASSI
From: "Geoffrey Dabb" <>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:57:38 +1000
(1)  Naomi Langmore worked on this a few (5?) years ago at Campbell Park,
with particular attention to the HBC/SFW relationship.  She gave a
presentation to COG.

(2)  As it happens the only relevant video I have is of Variegated FWs
feeding a young HBC at Binya. An HBC adult was close by, calling.

I agree with Jack's comments on the IDing.  The juvs are no more difficult
to separate than the adults, in appearance.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Damien Farine  
Sent: Friday, 14 September 2007 8:50 PM
To: 
Subject: Identifying dependant young bronze-cuckoos
[SEC=UNCLASSI

Hey all,
I've been asked to forward my offline response to Matthew to the whole list 
(by another party).. so here goes.

One way of telling the young apart is looking at their host parent.  Most 
cuckoos parasitise one family almost exclusively, and the bronze-cuckoos are

no exception.  In their case, the host families are primarily fairy-wrens 
and thornbills for horsfield's and shining respectively.  Of course, this 
may have exceptions, but logic of strategic nest parasitism for maximising 
hatching success means that birds mostly parasitise their specialised hosts 
with little exception.

There isn't a great deal of literature which discusses or shows this, a few 
have come out of BoZo, but the main work on this has been presented in

Brooker, M. & Brooker L. (1989) Cuckoo Hosts in Australia,
Australian Zoological Reviews, No. 2.

A number of subsequent publications have been made by Booker et al, and some

work has been done in BoZo on various aspects of parasitism by cuckoos.

Booker & Booker (1989) recorded Chrysococcyx basalis (horsfield's) 
parasitising 97 host species Australia-wide and Malurus spp (fairy-wrens) 
were 'undoubtedly the major host'.

C. lucidus (shining) was found to parasitise 82 species and Acanthiza 
(thornbill) species 'are the major hosts in all regions'.

Cheers,
Damien


----Original Message Follows----
From: 
To: 
Subject: Identifying dependant young bronze-cuckoos
[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:12:17 +1000

With both the Shining Bronze-Cuckoo and Horsfield's Bronze-Cuckoo having a
status of breeding migrant in the ACT, I was a little surprised to see
from recent ABRs that there have been few breeding records for either of
these species.  Philip Veerman was kind enough to point out to me last
night that there may have been sightings, but due to the difficulty in
determining which species the young might be, an observation record
couldn't be submitted.  There may be other reasons as well.

So that I'm prepared for seeing a dependant young bronze-cuckoo being fed,
I would be grateful for any information on what diagnostic features exist
to make the distinction.

This information could be valuable to others, either as something new or
to refresh their memory.

Over to you...

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