To: "'COG Lists Manager'" <>, <>
Subject: Koel
From: "Geoffrey Dabb" <>
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:44:20 +1100

Yes, a hearty well-done to all concerned.  I am uneasy about anyone telling anyone else their use of a name is ‘wrong’.  (See ‘DIDACTICISM’ in Fowler’s Modern English Usage, first ed).   I have the following questions:


Are not the names in CWMC&W merely proposals?


What is the standard source for species and names used at the present moment by editors/managers of (a) CBN (b) Gang-gang (c) Emu (d) Wingspan (e) CSIRO Publishing (f) the electronic version of COG’s list of local birds (g) COG’s reporting forms?


What is the reason for the choice of source in each case?


What standard source for species and names is recommended for this list by the COG Lists Manager?    


From: COG Lists Manager [
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 6:04 PM
Subject: RE: [canberrabirds] Koel


One of the many great achievement of Mark Clayton and his colleagues in producing the volume Clayton, M, Wombey, JC, Mason, IJ, Chesser, RT & Wells, A 2006, CSIRO list of Australian vertebrates: a reference with conservation status, 2nd edn, (CSIRO Publishing, Collingwood, Vic.) is updating the species list of birds, and the English name for some where the species is not changed but an English name change is warranted. Some of the changes were published a couple of years ago in Shodde & Mason's Directory - though passerines only there.

Name changes of species that we have in the ACT that I spotted when Mark's book was published, updating Christidis & Boles 1994, are:

- Pacific Koel - was Common Koel - different species

- Australian Reed Warbler - was Clamorous Reed-Warbler - different species

- Australian Pipit - was Richard's Pipit - different species

- Horsfield's Bushlark - was Singing Bushlark - different English name tho same species

- Eurasian Skylark - was Skylark - different English name tho same species

Any other changes to the ACT birds, Mark?

Also ... I wonder if the mention of the Oriental Skylark as being a vagrant/accidental in the ACT is a typo, or if there is a local record not generally known about?

And another also:- I note that Milburn (and many others) refer to the Fork-tailed Swift Apus pacificus as Pacific Swift, but HANZAB and Clayton et al. do not follow suit. Considering that its range includes not only the Pacific but also India, Sri Lanka, Tibet, Mongolia, inland China, not to mention SE Asia and Western Australia, perhaps Fork-tailed is preferable?


At 08:55 2/02/2007, Paul Fennell wrote:

Wots a Pacific Koel then?  I thought they were seldom pacified.
Paul Fennell
Database Manager
Canberra Ornithologists Group
0407 105 460
02 6254 1804
25 Pickles St Scullin ACT 2614

From: Mark Clayton
Sent: Thursday, 1 February 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: [canberrabirds] Koel
Evening all,
At 20 past 8 this evening a Pacific Koel was calling very close to my Kaleen yard.
Cheers, Mark

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