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Willy Fantail

To: John Tongue <>
Subject: Willy Fantail
From: Noel Luff <>
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 21:28:49 +0000
BLI taxonomy can be found at:

http://datazone.birdlife.org/species/taxonomy

perhaps the most unusual split in this list is the Masked Lapwing which is
now the Masked Lapwing in the north and the Black-shouldered Lapwing in the
south. This is also how it appears in HBW Alive.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 7:08 AM, John Tongue <> wrote:

> Not in Tassie! ;)
>
> John Tongue
> Devonport, Tas.
>
>
> > On 19 Jan 2017, at 10:19 PM, Charles <> wrote:
> >
> > Just adding some praise for the bird...
> >
> > What other bird covers the entire Australian map in terms of range?
> >
> > Love seeing it no matter where I am in Aus.
> >
> > Great personality.
> >
> > My kids also do the Willie Wagtail dance.
> >
> > Have missed most of this post (so apologies if I am repeating) but the
> new guide "Birds of the Indonesian Archipelago Greater Sundas and Wallacea"
> lists it as Willie Fantail.
> >
> > It has (in the somewhat unfair brief description) AN (Alternative Names)
> Willie Wagtail.
> >
> > There are many, many name changes across many species in the new guide
> that I have seen previously. A little confusing to be honest.
> >
> > However there has been one expensive guide available for the entire the
> region for many years. So this guide is worth purchasing.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Charles Hunter
> >
> >> On 19 Jan 2017, at 6:34 PM, Andrew Bell <> wrote:
> >>
> >> HBW Alive used Willie Wagtail - which is a relief :)
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On 19 Jan. 2017, at 4:25 pm, Dave Torr <> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Can't imagine the name change being widely accepted no matter how
> logical
> >>> it is!
> >>>
> >>> On 19 Jan 2017 5:12 PM, "Wedderburn Birding" <
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It's "Willie Fantail" in the Indonesian field guide with the note
> that an
> >>>> alternative name is Willie Wagtail, which after all is a far better
> name as
> >>>> it's not a wagtail.
> >>>>
> >>>> The field guide also refers to some new species and proposed splits,
> such
> >>>> as
> >>>> Sumatran Scops Owl, some of which haven't been accepted by any of the
> >>>> current taxonomies.  Birdtourasia already uses the new names and
> proposed
> >>>> splits for their checklists.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Bruce
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Birding-Aus  On
> Behalf
> >>>> Of
> >>>> Frank O'Connor
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, 19 January 2017 4:04 PM
> >>>> To: 
> >>>> Subject: [Birding-Aus] Willy Fantail
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Was it Willy Fantail or Willie Fantail?
> >>>>
> >>>> There was suspicion that these names in the new Indonesian field
> guide by
> >>>> James Eaton et al. were what was going to be adopted by HBW / BLI.
> This has
> >>>> just been released but I don't have access to it. And since BirdLife
> >>>> Australia follows this, that we might be affected. I think BA chose
> HBW /
> >>>> BLI partly because of their affiliation with BirdLife International
> and
> >>>> largely because they thought the list would be far more stable than
> say
> >>>> IOC.
> >>>>
> >>>> There has already been problems with Hooded Dotterel rather than
> Hooded
> >>>> Plover.
> >>>>
> >>>> The common names go before BA's English Names Committee which I am
> part of.
> >>>> I cannot see any chance that we would accept Willie (or
> >>>> Willy) Fantail! I think quite a few people on the ENC would go
> apoplectic!
> >>>> A
> >>>> bit like telling the American to change American Robin to American
> Thrush.
> >>>>
> >>>> Another that may come up is White-quilled Honeyeater, a split from
> >>>> Blue-faced Honeyeater across northern Australia. Not certain where
> this
> >>>> name
> >>>> came from. This split hasn't even been proposed for IOC yet.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _________________________________________________________________
> >>>> Frank O'Connor                          Birding WA
> >>>> http://birdingwa.iinet.net.au
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