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Flycatcher ID help

To: Dick Jenkin <>, 'James Mustafa' <>
Subject: Flycatcher ID help
From: martin cachard <>
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 19:32:30 +1100
Mope i'm stickmg with this ome Dick!! most fam mail I've  ever got om here!!! 
cheers!! mc
 
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> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 19:29:55 +1100
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> Mayve all the Virding-aus memvers could do a collectiom amd vuy you a mew
> keyvoard
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> Dick
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> James Mustafa
> Sent: Sunday, 18 January 2015 3:52 PM
> To: martin cachard
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> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Flycatcher ID help
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> Martin! Never ever fix your keyboard!!
> 
> Hahha
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> All the best,
> James Mustafa
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> 0400 951 517
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> > On 18 Jan 2015, at 2:40 pm, martin cachard <> wrote:
> > 
> > Chris, I dom't have the orig mail so cam't amswer that. ut recall it veimg
> rather ovious  at the time...sorry, m.cachard
> > 
> > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 18:50:10 -0600
> > From: 
> > To: ; 
> > Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Flycatcher ID help
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    Hi Martin, 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >      So which photo are you thinking shows you the length of the outer
> >      rectrix? What exactly are you judging that from? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >      It would be a lot better if we could make the call on more than
> >      one, uncorrelated feature, though that may not be an option. May
> >      well be a Leaden, but I'm not sure it's that simple.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >      Cheers, Chris.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >      On 1/17/2015 4:49 PM, martin cachard wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >      hey Chris,
> > 
> >        the outer retrices would ve markedly graduated as well if it
> >        were a Vroad-villed... forget vout the lores, the tail shows
> >        more tham emough to ve diamostic for Leadem...cheers m.cachard
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 06:48:44 -0600
> > 
> >> From: 
> > 
> >> To: 
> > 
> >> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Flycatcher ID help
> > 
> > 
> >> I'm not sure it is quite that simple!
> > 
> > 
> >> I thought the pale lores were a female feature, not found
> >          in males.
> > 
> > 
> >> As for the tail, I am having trouble figuring out exactly
> >          what is going 
> > 
> >> on, but for sure, it is the OUTER rectrices which might
> >          be completely 
> > 
> >> white in Broad-bills, not the centrals. But is that a
> >          consistent 
> > 
> >> feature? And is the outer Rectrix visible anyway? There
> >          does seem some 
> > 
> >> suggestion of a sharply defined white tip on the right
> >          side, which might 
> > 
> >> not be so good for Leaden.
> > 
> > 
> >> That weird shot of it with the wing spread is rather
> >          confusing with 
> > 
> >> respect to the tail, but does seem to suggest that either
> >          a lot of 
> > 
> >> rectrices are missing, or the central feathers are
> >          growing in, which 
> > 
> >> might counter the argument about tail shape. I am just
> >          not sure what 
> > 
> >> those feathers on the left are - rectrices or the far
> >          wing turned inside 
> > 
> >> out!
> > 
> > 
> >> Is the appearance of the gape enough to be sure it is a
> >          young bird?
> > 
> > 
> >> I think it could do with some more discussion!
> > 
> > 
> >> Cheers, Chris.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On 1/16/2015 10:40 PM, Graeme Chapman wrote:
> > 
> >>> Hello Joseph,
> > 
> > 
> >>> The first of your pics is remarkably good for a
> >          hand-held digiscope setup.
> > 
> > 
> >>> Martin is correct - the lack of pale lores and the
> >          even length rectrices make it a Leaden Flycatcher - Broad
> >          -bills have graduated tail feathers and pale lores.
> > 
> > 
> >>> The heavily tumoured gape make it a very young bird.
> >          An ideal diagnostic picture would have been with the bird
> >          front-on and we would have seen the central rectrices which
> >          are all white in the Broad-billed.
> > 
> > 
> >>> There's a good range of pictures dealing with this
> >          issue on my website - www.graemechapman.com.au
> > 
> > 
> >>> Cheers
> > 
> > 
> >>> Graeme Chapman
> > 
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