Flycatcher ID help

Subject: Flycatcher ID help
From: Chris Corben <>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 06:48:44 -0600
I'm not sure it is quite that simple!

I thought the pale lores were a female feature, not found in males.

As for the tail, I am having trouble figuring out exactly what is going on, but for sure, it is the OUTER rectrices which might be completely white in Broad-bills, not the centrals. But is that a consistent feature? And is the outer Rectrix visible anyway? There does seem some suggestion of a sharply defined white tip on the right side, which might not be so good for Leaden.

That weird shot of it with the wing spread is rather confusing with respect to the tail, but does seem to suggest that either a lot of rectrices are missing, or the central feathers are growing in, which might counter the argument about tail shape. I am just not sure what those feathers on the left are - rectrices or the far wing turned inside out!

Is the appearance of the gape enough to be sure it is a young bird?

I think it could do with some more discussion!

Cheers, Chris.

On 1/16/2015 10:40 PM, Graeme Chapman wrote:
Hello Joseph,

The first of your pics is remarkably good for a hand-held digiscope setup.

Martin is correct - the lack of pale lores and the even length rectrices make 
it a Leaden Flycatcher - Broad -bills have graduated tail feathers and pale 

The heavily tumoured gape make it a very young bird. An ideal diagnostic 
picture would have been with the bird front-on and we would have seen the 
central rectrices which are all white in the Broad-billed.

There's a good range of pictures dealing with this issue on my website -


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