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Does Australia Have Too Many National Parks?

To: Ian May <>
Subject: Does Australia Have Too Many National Parks?
From: "Jeremy O'Wheel" <>
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 15:16:55 +1100
Actually Ian, in Tasmania about 21% of land is in national parks.  The
figures most often quoted is that over 40% is in National Parks and
"reserves."  Reserves have varying levels of protection, but are not
national parks.

Jeremy


On 6 March 2014 18:34, Ian May <> wrote:

> Hello Tom
>
> Yes, I like to push some buttons too however in this debate I am only an
> ill informed observer.  It should be noted that reserving more than 50% of
> Tasmania to unmanaged National Parks Reserves has killed this states
> economy, condemned many of its residence to generations of welfare and
> created the worst circumstances possible for the management of wild fires.
> But before linking recent major bushfires, droughts etc. to some peoples
> theories about climate change, have a look at this.
>
> http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/fireall.html
>
> regards
>
> Ian
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Tom Tarrant wrote:
>
>  Ian,
>>
>> After all the recent fires in Tasmania, will the 'good citizens of
>> Tasmania' be more concerned about their economy or
>> climate-change?....we recently saw the writing on the wall' in the
>> Redcliffe by-election and I think there will be further surprises in
>> the forthcoming re-run of the WA senate election,  I would like to
>> think that there is still hope for Tassies Forests, and will still
>> continue to push poll-buttons (....when I'm not at work),
>>
>> best of luck,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Ian May <> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> g'Day Peter, Dave and all
>>>
>>> Perhaps most Green zealots do little else but sit around and play with
>>> their
>>> iphones while waiting for an opportunity to push poll buttons and preach
>>> left wing philosophy.   It probably takes more time for more productive
>>> members of society who are mostly at work to find out or even bother with
>>> frivolous polls in Fairfax media.
>>> The reality seems to be, that the Green pendulum has swung back to the
>>> right.  Especially here in Tasmania, most if its good citizens appear to
>>> be
>>> fed up with the high social costs of being lumbered with green public
>>> policy
>>> that has achieved little more than to make the state a feel good
>>> playground
>>> for visitors.
>>> The saddest part is that despite such a high social cost, there has been
>>> little success in achieving reasonable conservation benchmarks, i.e.
>>> Orange-bellied Parrot.   The costly green experiment appears to have
>>> failed.
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Ian May
>>> PO Box 110
>>> St Helens, Tasmania. 7216
>>> Mob: 0428337956
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter Shute wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's now on 83% yes, and the vote count has increased from about 3000
>>>> when
>>>> I looked yesterday evening to nearly 120,000.
>>>>
>>>> At least it's now obvious it can't be believed.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Shute
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Birding-Aus  On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Judy Leitch
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2014 8:34 AM
>>>>> To: 'Dave Torr'; 'Laurie Knight'
>>>>> Cc: 'birding-aus'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Does Australia Have Too Many National Parks?
>>>>>
>>>>> I voted and at that time the NO vote was ahead, I checked 5 mins later
>>>>> and the YES vote had doubled :( This also happened 2 weeks ago in a
>>>>> Gold
>>>>> Coast Bulletin online poll with regards a Cruise Ship Terminal on our
>>>>> wonderful Broadwater.
>>>>> Check this out -
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.itnews.com.au/News/331994,ballot-stuffing-bot-hits-
>>>>> news-ltd-polls
>>>>> .aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> Judy
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Birding-Aus  On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Dave Torr
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2014 7:19 AM
>>>>> To: Laurie Knight
>>>>> Cc: birding-aus
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Does Australia Have Too Many National Parks?
>>>>>
>>>>> It is well known that all Fairfax readers are left-wing, tree-hugging
>>>>> greenies so why would any good conservative government any any
>>>>> attention to
>>>>> such a poll?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5 March 2014 17:55, Laurie Knight <> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a link between the conservation estate and the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> preservation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> of wildlife.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Australian PM is quoted as saying "We don't support, as a
>>>>>> government
>>>>>> and as a Coalition, further lockouts of our
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> forests ...We
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> have quite enough National Parks, we have quite enough locked up
>>>>>> forests
>>>>>> already. In fact, in an important respect, we have too much locked
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> up forest."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a poll in the Fairfax media that runs until 9 pm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> EST, 10 pm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> EDST and 7 pm WST where you can note your opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-
>>>>>> news/no-more-national-parks-as-tony-abbott-pledges-to-
>>>>>> support-loggers-as-the-ultimate-conservationists-20140305-345zp.html
>>>>>>
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