Birding tourism

To: Andrew Wall <>
Subject: Birding tourism
From: Peter Shute <>
Date: Fri, 3 May 2013 17:13:38 +1000
Obviously further explanation is required, and 1000 apologies to Andrew.

This was supposed to be a private reply to a moderators's discussion about 
commercial content, which is against the list rules. All agreed it was not only 
minor, but a useful contribution to the discussion.

Regarding the "crap" birding, I'll have to justify that off the cuff comment. 
I've done a lot of birding while staying in Goulburn but unable to travel far 
because of family restrictions. I got a lot of ticks within 10km of Goulburn 
when I started birding. But the options close in are limited because much of 
the land around the town is cleared, and a lot of what's left is on or locked 
in by private property.

There are a lot of really great birding locations an hour's drive or more away, 
but that has been impractical for me. The few areas that I found close to town 
are good for someone passing through, but I've done them to death.

That same description would apply to Altona where I live.

The "doesn't sound like birder" comment was guesswork on the part of an overly 
suspicious moderator based on what I thought was a long drive to the 
recommended Rockwarbler location compared to much closer ones I know of. It was 
also based on a quick check on Google Maps to see where the location was, and I 
may be wrong about it.

Again, many apologies to Andrew, and I hope you don't leave the list after this 
particularly savage introduction. As a regular visitor to Goulburn, I'm 
particularly interested in hearing reports from a local.

Sent from my iPad

On 03/05/2013, at 3:53 PM, "Andrew Wall" <> wrote:

> Hi Peter
> I'm a bit confused? I am the new owner of the motel, and I am relatively new 
> to birding - if you don't count the 40 + years that I have been observing 
> them. I don't know how to sound like a birder? 
> I joined the birding aus list a couple of weeks ago, after having been a 
> member of Birdlife Australia for the last twelve months, with the intention 
> of learning more about what's happening and to try to add something positive 
> to other people who like birds when they are travelling in the area, by 
> mentioning my motel. I didn't realise that there was some process or 
> exclusion on commercial activities. I was just responding to an earlier post 
> about letting people in country towns what birders were doing when they 
> visited. So if I have offended anyone, I apologise. 
> The warbler site that I mentioned was on the Nerriga road, just near Oallen 
> Ford. 
> I don't think the Goulburn is crap for birding. Every day, I see plenty of 
> birds that make me smile!
> And don't bother keeping an eye on me, I will most likely stop receiving 
> these lists, if people think that I'm only interested in promoting my small 
> 15 room motel! 
> Andrew Wall
> On 03/05/2013, at 2:45 PM, Peter Shute <> wrote:
>> You're right, but I didn't even notice. Too busy emailing him to see if he 
>> knows about any good spots close to Goulburn, and exactly where his 
>> Rockwarbler site is. Not very close, I think. I emailed him early this 
>> morning, no reply yet.
>> Goulburn is crap for birding, so not much danger of repeat advertising or 
>> complaints of unfair competition from others. 
>> He subscribed about 2 weeks ago, so he didn't do it just to make this 
>> posting, which is his first. Must therefore be a birder? Doesn't really 
>> sound like one.
>> Maybe just keep an eye on him?
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Andrew Wall  
>>> Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2013 4:08 PM
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: Birding tourism
>>> Hi birders
>>> I agree with all the comments regarding telling country 
>>> people about our birding activities. 
>>> I own and run (along with my lovely wife, Susan), a small 
>>> motel in Goulburn NSW. I am always interested in why guests 
>>> are in town, and am keen to give advice and suggestions about 
>>> the best place to see things. I always enjoy discovering that 
>>> people are here for bird watching, or bush walking, camping 
>>> etc. I talk to the local visitor info centre, which has 
>>> pamphlets on bird watching in the area, and try to enhance 
>>> our guests visits with some local insider knowledge.
>>> I am keen to have more bird watchers stay with us, so if you 
>>> are heading past Goulburn, drop in to the Parkhaven Motel, 
>>> and I'll point you in the right direction to see NSW's only 
>>> endemic bird - the rock warbler - which is close by on the 
>>> Nerriga Road, or if you like I can give you directions to the 
>>> sewage plant! 
>>> Happy birding 
>>> Andrew Wall

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