Hi gentlemen,
Regarding zoos, I think your view is slightly restrictive, as these days zoos
are often well vegetated and attract wild, free birds that just pass through or
benefit from seeds etc intended for display animals/birds.
For example, at the Australia Zoo, we saw on one scarlet bottlebrush outside
any caged area, Blue-faced and Scarlet Honeyeaters, Little Friarbirds and Nosiy
Miners. I'm interested to know if you would leave them off your list if they
were the first and only time you saw them on a flying visit to Brisbane, for
example, and you hadn't seen them before?
It's all a bit challenging, especially in view of Nikolas' 1st paragraph which
I tend to agree with.
Sonja
On 26/11/2012, at 3:52 PM, Nikolas Haass wrote:
> Hi Koren,
>
> With regards to NZ, I personally think that it is much more fun to see birds
> in their natural habitat (even though it is man-made natural habitat) than in
> degraded habitat dominated by European tree monocultures and lawns. So, even
> if these birds are (re-)introduced, to Tiritiri, Kapiti, Zealandia etc. the
> actual experience there is much more 'real' than seeing the same species in
> their natural range in 'unreal' habitat. I thought that birding the North
> Island is very depressive since the majority of the place is destroyed, same
> accounts for large parts of the South Island, too :-(
>
> Of course, I also wouldn't "carry my little black book into a zoo", Alistair!
> Although I remember that as a kid I 'ticked' a number of wild American birds
> attracted to the great conditions in an African Safari Park near San Diego.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nikolas
>
> ----------------
> Nikolas Haass
>
> Sydney, NSW
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Alistair McKeough <>
> To: Koren Mitchell <>
> Cc: "" <>
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Can I tick these birds?
>
> Only you can decide.
>
> I've seen Gouldian Finch at Mareeba Wetlands. 50 meters later I got to the
> "cage" where birds can enter and leave. Scratching.
>
> Personally, when I'm heading to a zoo (or other form of "sanctuary") I have
> don't even carry my little black book.
>
> Al
>
>
>
>
>
> On 26 November 2012 14:12, Koren Mitchell <> wrote:
>
>> I know, I know, always a question that provokes discussion, but I thought
>> I'd ask anyway. Not wanting to argue, just interested in people's opinions.
>>
>> I'm currently in Wellington and just got back from a trip to Zealandia
>> sanctuary. This is a place on the outskirts of Wellington where they have
>> built a predator-proof fence and reintroduced some of the species that were
>> originally there, as well as a couple from other parts of the country.
>> These birds are free-flying (apart from the takahe which is flightless) and
>> most have now been breeding in the sanctuary for between 5 and 10 years.
>>
>> So, can I legitimately count on my life list the birds that I saw in the
>> sanctuary (apart from the takahe which I wouldn't count as it is definitely
>> 'in captivity')? Is seeing the birds in this sanctuary any different from
>> going to Kapiti Island, where many of the same birds have been reintroduced?
>>
>> Regards, Koren
>>
>> Koren Mitchell
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