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Don't Talk To the Hunters

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Subject: Don't Talk To the Hunters
From: tim morris <>
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 05:01:16 -0700 (PDT)
Hi all,

Just trying to get my head around this new Game and Feral Animal Control 
Amendment Bill 2009. 

Which state government department actually decided which of the species listed 
are now game birds? And how will the Game Council decide to allocate quota's 
for certain species? Do they have a scientific department that can adequately 
assess the potential implications of hunting on each species?

I can understand a potential need for controlling some bird species which are 
in large numbers and can be demonstrated to be having some form 
of significant economic, health or environmental impact, such as White Ibis. 
However what is the justification of including Topknot Pigeons, which have a 
benefit in spreading rainforest seeds (as well as Camphor Laurels!)? While the 
various duck species such as Shovellor, Pink Ear Ducks and both species species 
of whistle ducks may be locally common any approved hunting of these species 
could also have a significant impact on local populations.

And why would the Straw Neck Ibis be considered a game species? Can't imagine 
there would be much thrill in the stalking and hunting of an Ibis, which are 
also of significant benefit to the farming community by feeding on locusts. It 
was only a few years ago that there were major concerns about the long term 
status of this species due to the aging population and the lack of 
 significant breeding events during the prolonged drought.

Hopefully some common sense is applied.
 
Tim

 


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Don't Talk To the Hunters (Elizabeth Shaw)
   2. Fantailed Cuckoo (brian fleming)
   3. Re: It was very dark... (John McGowan)
   4. Contact details for Bob Forsyth of Mt Isa (Sandra & Neil Shelley)
   5. A 'Morepork' question (John Tongue)
   6. Re: Don't Talk To the Hunters (Carl Clifford)
   7. Re: A 'Morepork' question (Steve McBride)
   8. Re: A 'Morepork' question (Mike Carter)
   9. IOU List 3.1 (Frank O'Connor)
  10. Re: A 'Morepork' question (John Tongue)
  11. Re: Don't Talk To the Hunters (Greg and Val Clancy)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 11:59:37 +1000
From: "Elizabeth Shaw" <>
To: "Paul" <>,    <>
Subject: Don't Talk To the Hunters
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I just checked the books.  The scientific name listed below is the proper 
Topknot pigeon.  As you say most non-birders call the Crested Pigeon a 
Topknot - I've been told by several young boys when I've been tutoring 
outback that the books are wrong!  They might have meant Crested Pigeon, 
called it Topknot, then looked up the scientific name without checking with 
an illustration.  Does this need to be pointed out to some authority. 
Surely they can't mean the real Topknot!

Elizabeth Shaw
Phillip Island
Victoria

-----Original Message----- 
From: Paul
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:42 AM
To: 
Subject: Don't Talk To the Hunters

Most non birders call the Crested Pigeon a Topknot Pigeon so this could lead
to quite some confusion. I can't see any reason that the Govt. would allow
hunting of Topknots, I suspect they meant Crested.
Paul Osborn


-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Gregory
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:02 PM
To: birdingaus mailing list
Subject: Don't Talk To the Hunters

Good news if you live in NSW, as I do, from July 1st you get an 18%
increase in your electricity bill and as a trade off you get to keep 10
metres from a bloke (must be over 12 years of age) with a gun in your
favourite NP. A win win all round really - unless you are a Topknot Pigeon.
Here is a link to the Game and Feral Animal Control Amendment Bill 2009 and
below it a listing of birds and animals included in the bill.

http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/nswbills.nsf/1d4800a7a88cc2abca256e9800121f01/6dce0470707e4f4bca2575b4001bd3f1/$FILE/b2009-031-d10-House.pdf

Native game animals (licence required to hunt on public or private land)

Ducks

Australian Shelduck (or Mountain Duck) (Tadorna tadornoides)
Australian Wood Duck (or Maned Duck) (Chenonetta jubata)
Black Duck (or Pacific Black Duck) (Anas superciliosa)
Blue-winged Shoveler (or Australasian Shoveler) (Anas rhynchotis)
Chestnut Teal (Anas castanea)
Grass Duck (or Plumed Whistling Duck) (Dendrocygna eytoni)
Grey Teal (Anas gibberifrons)
Hardhead Duck (or White-eyed Duck) (Aythya australia)
Pink-eared Duck (Malacorhynchus membranaceus)
Water Whistling Duck (or Wandering Whistling Duck, Whistling or
Wandering Tree Duck) (Dendrocygna arcuata)

Quails
Brown Quail (Coturnix ypsilophora)
Stubble Quail (Coturnix pectoralis)

Other birds
Australian White Ibis (Threskiornis molucca)
Black Swan (Cygnus atratus)
Common Bronzewing Pigeon (Phaps chalcoptera)
Galah (Eolophus roseicapilla)
Little Corella (Cacatua sanguinea)
Long-billed Corella (Cacatua tenuirostris)
Purple Swamphen (Porphyrio porphyrio)
Straw Necked Ibis (Threskiornis spinicollis)
Sulphur Crested Cockatoo (Cacatua galerita)
Topknot Pigeon (Lopholaimus antarcticus)

Kangaroos
Eastern Grey Kangaroo (Macropus giganteus)
Euro (Macropus robustus)
Red Kangaroo (Macropus rufus)
Western Grey Kangaroo (Macropus fuliginosus)

Part 3 Non-indigenous animals (licence required to hunt on public land only)
Note. A game hunting licence is not required for hunting the animals listed
in this Part
on private land, and accordingly is only required if the animals are living
in the wild on
public land

Amphibians
Cane Toad (Bufo marinus)

Birds
Canada Goose (Branta canadensis)
Common Pigeon (Columba livia)
Domestic Goose (Anser anser domesticus and Anser cygnoides domesticus)
European Blackbird (Turdus merula)
European Goldfinch (Carduelis carduelis)
European Greenfinch (Carduelis chloris)
House Crow (vagrant) (Corvus splendens)
House Sparrow (Passer domesticus)
Hungarian Partridge (Perdix perdix)
Indian Myna (Acridotheres tristis)
Indian Ringneck (vagrant) (Psittacula krameri)
Muscovy Duck (Cairina moschate)
Red-whiskered Bulbul (Pycnonotus jocosus)
Rock Dove (or Feral Pigeon) (Columba livia)
Skylark (Alauda arvensis)
Song Thrush (Turdus philomelus)
Starling (Sturnus vulgaris)
Tree Sparrow (Passer montanus)

Other animals living in the wild
Cat
Dog (other than dingo)
Goat
Fox
Hare
Rabbit
Pig

Cheers
Chris Gregory (this name is my sign off and not part of the above list!)

On 15 June 2012 11:24, Carl Clifford <> wrote:

>
> Dear All,
>
> On p5 of today's Sydney Morning Herald, there is an item headed "Public
> face ban from parts of parks". In part, this item states that the bill
> allowing shooting in NSW National Parks is being amended, so that it will
> be an offence for a person to approach to within 10 metres of a hunter in 
> a
> National Park.
>
> Reading through the bill, Game and Feral Animal Control Amendment Bill
> 2009, it also would seem that all is set, legislatively, to allow the
> hunting of ducks and other game birds.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Clifford
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:47:47 +1000
From: brian fleming <>
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Subject: Fantailed Cuckoo
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I heard a Fan-tailed Cuckoo calling yesterday morning near Darebin 
Creek, Ivanhoe, Vic.  It called persistently for at least 5 minutes.

Anthea Fleming


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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:54:13 +1030
From: John McGowan <>
To: <>
Subject: It was very dark...
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I was walking on the beach at Mooloolaba, Qld this morning and spotted what 
looked like a Gannet. I whipped out my trusty bins, but the sun wasn't being 
friendly and all I could say for certain is-it wasn't a Gannet. [Even I've seen 
plenty of Gannets]. It was clearly a Booby of sorts and seemed to stay under 
for what seemed to be an inordinately long time. There was no visible white at 
all and for all intents and purposes it was a dark brown all over.
Help gratefully accepted
John Mc

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:35:04 +1000
From: "Sandra & Neil Shelley" <>
To: Birding-Aus Aus <>
Subject: Contact details for Bob Forsyth of Mt Isa
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Hi folks,

Does anyone have a current e-mail address for Bob Forsyth of Mt Isa?

Neil Shelley


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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:31:18 +1000
From: John Tongue <>
To: birding-aus Aus <>
Subject: A 'Morepork' question
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Hi All,
after the discussions recently about C&B cf IOC, we've been checking out the 
IOC list, and I'm a bit intrigued by the "Morepork" entry.

I'm assuming this is in reference to the Norfolk Island birds, which I 
understood to be all hybrids now (except perhaps for one long-lived 
individual??).

Am I correct in this assumption?  Or is Ninox novaeseelandiae accepted for the 
Norfolk Morepork, with birds there still accepted as a full species?  Or am I 
barking up completely the wrong tree, with "Morepork" in the IOC list referring 
to something else again?

Thanks (in anticipation) for the advice,
John Tongue
Ulverstone, Tas.



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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:17:07 +1000
From: Carl Clifford <>
To: "Elizabeth Shaw" <>
Cc: 
Subject: Don't Talk To the Hunters
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Elizabeth,

I think they are right. Topknot Pigeon would be a great game bird.  
They are large, don't fly too quickly and they tend to congregate in  
large flocks. Just like the Passenger Pigeon used to. Pity about the  
camphor taste.

Cheers,

Carl Clifford

On 16/06/2012, at 11:59 AM, Elizabeth Shaw wrote:

I just checked the books.  The scientific name listed below is the  
proper Topknot pigeon.  As you say most non-birders call the Crested  
Pigeon a Topknot - I've been told by several young boys when I've been  
tutoring outback that the books are wrong!  They might have meant  
Crested Pigeon, called it Topknot, then looked up the scientific name  
without checking with an illustration.  Does this need to be pointed  
out to some authority. Surely they can't mean the real Topknot!

Elizabeth Shaw
Phillip Island
Victoria

-----Original Message----- From: Paul
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:42 AM
To: 
Subject: Don't Talk To the Hunters

Most non birders call the Crested Pigeon a Topknot Pigeon so this  
could lead
to quite some confusion. I can't see any reason that the Govt. would  
allow
hunting of Topknots, I suspect they meant Crested.
Paul Osborn


-----Original Message----- From: Chris Gregory
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 2:02 PM
To: birdingaus mailing list
Subject: Don't Talk To the Hunters

Good news if you live in NSW, as I do, from July 1st you get an 18%
increase in your electricity bill and as a trade off you get to keep 10
metres from a bloke (must be over 12 years of age) with a gun in your
favourite NP. A win win all round really - unless you are a Topknot  
Pigeon.
Here is a link to the Game and Feral Animal Control Amendment Bill  
2009 and
below it a listing of birds and animals included in the bill.

http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/nswbills.nsf/1d4800a7a88cc2abca256e9800121f01/6dce0470707e4f4bca2575b4001bd3f1/$FILE/b2009-031-d10-House.pdf

Native game animals (licence required to hunt on public or private land)

Ducks

Australian Shelduck (or Mountain Duck) (Tadorna tadornoides)
Australian Wood Duck (or Maned Duck) (Chenonetta jubata)
Black Duck (or Pacific Black Duck) (Anas superciliosa)
Blue-winged Shoveler (or Australasian Shoveler) (Anas rhynchotis)
Chestnut Teal (Anas castanea)
Grass Duck (or Plumed Whistling Duck) (Dendrocygna eytoni)
Grey Teal (Anas gibberifrons)
Hardhead Duck (or White-eyed Duck) (Aythya australia)
Pink-eared Duck (Malacorhynchus membranaceus)
Water Whistling Duck (or Wandering Whistling Duck, Whistling or
Wandering Tree Duck) (Dendrocygna arcuata)

Quails
Brown Quail (Coturnix ypsilophora)
Stubble Quail (Coturnix pectoralis)

Other birds
Australian White Ibis (Threskiornis molucca)
Black Swan (Cygnus atratus)
Common Bronzewing Pigeon (Phaps chalcoptera)
Galah (Eolophus roseicapilla)
Little Corella (Cacatua sanguinea)
Long-billed Corella (Cacatua tenuirostris)
Purple Swamphen (Porphyrio porphyrio)
Straw Necked Ibis (Threskiornis spinicollis)
Sulphur Crested Cockatoo (Cacatua galerita)
Topknot Pigeon (Lopholaimus antarcticus)

Kangaroos
Eastern Grey Kangaroo (Macropus giganteus)
Euro (Macropus robustus)
Red Kangaroo (Macropus rufus)
Western Grey Kangaroo (Macropus fuliginosus)

Part 3 Non-indigenous animals (licence required to hunt on public land  
only)
Note. A game hunting licence is not required for hunting the animals  
listed
in this Part
on private land, and accordingly is only required if the animals are  
living
in the wild on
public land

Amphibians
Cane Toad (Bufo marinus)

Birds
Canada Goose (Branta canadensis)
Common Pigeon (Columba livia)
Domestic Goose (Anser anser domesticus and Anser cygnoides domesticus)
European Blackbird (Turdus merula)
European Goldfinch (Carduelis carduelis)
European Greenfinch (Carduelis chloris)
House Crow (vagrant) (Corvus splendens)
House Sparrow (Passer domesticus)
Hungarian Partridge (Perdix perdix)
Indian Myna (Acridotheres tristis)
Indian Ringneck (vagrant) (Psittacula krameri)
Muscovy Duck (Cairina moschate)
Red-whiskered Bulbul (Pycnonotus jocosus)
Rock Dove (or Feral Pigeon) (Columba livia)
Skylark (Alauda arvensis)
Song Thrush (Turdus philomelus)
Starling (Sturnus vulgaris)
Tree Sparrow (Passer montanus)

Other animals living in the wild
Cat
Dog (other than dingo)
Goat
Fox
Hare
Rabbit
Pig

Cheers
Chris Gregory (this name is my sign off and not part of the above list!)

On 15 June 2012 11:24, Carl Clifford <> wrote:

>
> Dear All,
>
> On p5 of today's Sydney Morning Herald, there is an item headed  
> "Public
> face ban from parts of parks". In part, this item states that the bill
> allowing shooting in NSW National Parks is being amended, so that it  
> will
> be an offence for a person to approach to within 10 metres of a  
> hunter in a
> National Park.
>
> Reading through the bill, Game and Feral Animal Control Amendment Bill
> 2009, it also would seem that all is set, legislatively, to allow the
> hunting of ducks and other game birds.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Clifford
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
> ===============================
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:46:14 +1000
From: "Steve McBride" <>
To: "'John Tongue'" <>,    "'birding-aus Aus'"
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Subject: A 'Morepork' question
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John,
According to IOC version 3.1, Morepork - Ninox novaeseelandiae has 3
subspecies -  leucopsis (Tasmania), novaeseelandiae (New Zealand) & undulate
(Norfolk Island).
My understanding is that they brought a bird from New Zealand to breed with
the last Norfolk Island bird, so I guess that would make the current birds
some sort of hybrid of 2 subspecies of Morepork.

Cheers, 
Steve McBride

-----Original Message-----
From: 
 On Behalf Of John Tongue
Sent: Saturday, 16 June 2012 4:31 PM
To: birding-aus Aus
Subject: A 'Morepork' question

Hi All,
after the discussions recently about C&B cf IOC, we've been checking out the
IOC list, and I'm a bit intrigued by the "Morepork" entry.

I'm assuming this is in reference to the Norfolk Island birds, which I
understood to be all hybrids now (except perhaps for one long-lived
individual??).

Am I correct in this assumption?  Or is Ninox novaeseelandiae accepted for
the Norfolk Morepork, with birds there still accepted as a full species?  Or
am I barking up completely the wrong tree, with "Morepork" in the IOC list
referring to something else again?

Thanks (in anticipation) for the advice, John Tongue Ulverstone, Tas.

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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:50:08 +1000
From: "Mike Carter" <>
To: "John Tongue" <>,    "birding-aus Aus"
    <>,    "Paul Dodd" <>
Cc: Peter Menkhorst <>,    Danny Rogers
    <>,    Rohan Clarke <>
Subject: A 'Morepork' question
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    reply-type=original

Coming from Tasmania as you do, I'm not surprised that you raised this one 
and I apologise for misleading everyone by telling only half the story.

Firstly, whilst the IOC recognises that the Boobook from Lord Howe Island is 
extinct, that is not their position with regard to the bird on Norfolk 
Island. Whilst I believe that the last surviving NI Boobook is now dead and 
prior to her decease due to extreme age had not bred for several years, I 
think that some believe that her genes live on within the current hybrid 
stock. The males were introduced NZ Moreporks so that may justify the use of 
that name. I think someone told me that female genes are more significant in 
these respects. I hope someone with a better understanding of both these 
matters can clarify.

But of more interest to all Australians and you in particular as well of 
some of us here in Victoria and South Australia where from time to time 
claims of Tasmanian Boobooks having crossed Bass Strait derive, is the fact 
that the IOC consider the that your Tasmanian Boobook is a different species 
to ours on the mainland! They lump it with the NZ Morepork!!! Many, many 
years ago Les Christidis told me that the Tasmanian bird was a different 
species but I was not aware of its closer relationship to the NZ form.

Mike Carter
30 Canadian Bay Road
Mount Eliza  VIC 3930
Tel  (03) 9787 7136




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