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feral dogs and birding

To: "'Jill Dening'" <>, "'Carl Clifford'" <>
Subject: feral dogs and birding
From: "Scott O'Keeffe" <>
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:56:35 +1000
Jill,

Training a dog is a different situation from being attacked. I'm not
convinced. Until I saw evidence otherwise, I have a feeling that these
gadgets could actually enrage an aggressive dog.

S.

-----Original Message-----
From: 
 On Behalf Of Jill Dening
Sent: 24 January 2011 17:49
To: Carl Clifford
Cc: 
Subject: feral dogs and birding

Hi All,

Before everyone runs out and buys a dog deterrent as Carl described, I
would like to qualify his comments - hope you don't mind, Carl.

I have one such thing. It cost me about $40 through the net. It has a
truly stunning effect upon dogs, so I urge anyone who gets one to use it 
only when absolutely necessary, and with careful thought.

I used it to train my dog when she disobeyed deliberately. She has
selective hearing. If I give an order and she disobeys it a couple of
times, I give a VERY quick zap, and there is instant response (like,
"sorry Mum, I really didn't mean it"). Don't hold your finger on the
button for any length of time. This little gadget seems to inflict
audial pain on dogs, as it does when humans hear a sound which hurts the 
ears.

But gee it works well, and would be a great safety gadget when out
birding in wild dog country. Or when taking a morning walk where dogs
run loose.

Cheers,

Jill

Jill Dening
Sunshine Coast, Queensland, Australia

26° 51' 41"S    152° 56' 00"E

On 24/01/2011 5:25 PM, Carl Clifford wrote:
> Donald,
>
> Prior to retirement I was an Inspector for a State Department of
> Agriculture. One of my duties was property inspection for plant pest and
> disease. My District included Bourke, Brewarrina and Dubbo. I had
> regular deep and meaningful discussions with dogs about my rights of
entry.
>
> Then my life changed for the better. I came across ultra-sonic "Dog
> Stunners" They were a hand-held audio generator (about the size of a
> block of butter) which generated sound in the principle band-width of a
> dog's hearing, at 120dB. It was very effective. Just had a quick Google
> and the same type of device, now called "dog deterrent" is widely
> available for under AUD 50. These devices could be a useful addition to
> a birders kit.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Clifford
>
>
> On 24/01/2011, at 5:10 PM, Donald G. Kimball wrote:
>
> Okay folks I wont go on and on about this one but being attacked while
> birding is definitely an unnerving situation. I have dealt with adult
moose
> and black bears while doing wildlife research on birds in Canada but so
far
> only a nasty farm dog that got called off. By the way moose are much more
> dangerous overall but fortunately I went unscathed with the moose
> adventure.
> Okay now to my point. I am not sure about Aussie law but in Canada if I am
> in heavy heavy bear country I prefer to use bear mace which is totally
> legal
> here. The kind that actually will turn grizzlies around like a scalded
hog.
> One jolt of that and even the most determined pack of mutts will be
rolling
> and screaming in the dirt while others will be be yelping and panicking to
> leave the area. A bit pricey but great for peace of mind. Hopefully this
> will be helpful to some of my great mates in Aus.
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