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Cocos & Christmas Island Rarities

To: Laurie Knight <>
Subject: Cocos & Christmas Island Rarities
From: david taylor <>
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 12:33:49 +1000
Yes agree - any twitching would have been from nerves avoiding hostile enemy 
fire!


>> How good to have been a British Twitcher with a political list when they 
>> ruled half the world - your list would have been a whopper spanning the 
>> globe  from Australia, the West Indies, Canada  and much of Africa!
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> David Taylor
>>
>> On 09/01/2011, at 12:09 PM, Laurie Knight wrote:
>>
>>> It's a case of political lists vs biogeographical lists.
>>>
>>> I suspect that relatively few birders maintain both types of list.
>>>
>>> On 09/01/2011, at 11:56 AM, david taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another who agrees - I would love to bird Christmas Island and the Cocos 
>>>> Islands but this recent notion that they are part of the Australian bird 
>>>> list is in my opinion flawed - they may be Australian Territories but are 
>>>> vast distances from Australia,  Surley just because they are Australian 
>>>> territories does not make them Australian birds?
>>>>
>>>> I pose the scenario that if next year a country in South America became an 
>>>> Australian Territory that some of our twitchers would be adding Toucans to 
>>>> the Australian list - this may seem silly but in reality what is the 
>>>> difference in the two scenarios. I struggle too see how distance can form 
>>>> the basis of the argument? Cocos islands are 3600 kms due west of Darwin. 
>>>> Darwin to Thailand is less distance - if it became a territory would we be 
>>>> adding all of their birds?
>>>>
>>>> I would be interested to hear the attitude of those who do believe these 
>>>> birds are valid on the Australian list because they are Australian 
>>>> Territories and if so what would be the difference if indeed we gained a 
>>>> new territory in a place like Sth America or Asia?
>>>>
>>>> And as Tom points out - do the French birders add New Caledonia birds 
>>>> because its a territory of theirs?
>>>>
>>>> Seems its great sport for our twitchers (and absolutely nothing wrong with 
>>>> that) - but a long bow for mine that they form part of the Australian bird 
>>>> list.
>>>>
>>>> But each to his own and great birding all.
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>>
>>>> David Taylor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 09/01/2011, at 10:32 AM, Carl Clifford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tom,
>>>>>
>>>>> I heartily agree. You could almost say that birding on Christmas and 
>>>>> Cocos was SE Asian birding for xenophobes, except for the fact that the 
>>>>> population of Cocos is mainly Malay and the population of Christmas is 
>>>>> mainly Middle Eastern, albeit they are banged-up in a concentration camp
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl Clifford
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/01/2011, at 7:38 AM, Tom Tarrant wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Frank,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you are missing the point regarding that comment, as exciting as
>>>>> Christmas and Cocos sound (I would love to go birding there!) they are not
>>>>> in the same faunal zone as Australia so many birders don't see the
>>>>> relevance. You may as well go New Caledonia and add those species to your
>>>>> 'French' list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And I remember there was a comment about the possible Short-toed Eagle in
>>>>>> Victoria being better than the rarities reported on Cocos and Christmas 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> December.  Sorry.  Not even close!!!  I saw 11 new birds for my 
>>>>>> Australian
>>>>>> list, and I dipped on two.  Even Mike Carter added 9 birds to his 
>>>>>> Australian
>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ********************************
>>>>> Tom Tarrant
>>>>> Kobble Creek, Qld
>>>>>
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>>>> David Taylor
>>>> Brisbane
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