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Cocos & Christmas Island Rarities

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Subject: Cocos & Christmas Island Rarities
From: david taylor <>
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 12:18:11 +1000
Hi Laurie,

How good to have been a British Twitcher with a political list when they ruled 
half the world - your list would have been a whopper spanning the globe  from 
Australia, the West Indies, Canada  and much of Africa!

cheers

David Taylor

On 09/01/2011, at 12:09 PM, Laurie Knight wrote:

> It's a case of political lists vs biogeographical lists.
>
> I suspect that relatively few birders maintain both types of list.
>
> On 09/01/2011, at 11:56 AM, david taylor wrote:
>
>> Another who agrees - I would love to bird Christmas Island and the Cocos 
>> Islands but this recent notion that they are part of the Australian bird 
>> list is in my opinion flawed - they may be Australian Territories but are 
>> vast distances from Australia,  Surley just because they are Australian 
>> territories does not make them Australian birds?
>>
>> I pose the scenario that if next year a country in South America became an 
>> Australian Territory that some of our twitchers would be adding Toucans to 
>> the Australian list - this may seem silly but in reality what is the 
>> difference in the two scenarios. I struggle too see how distance can form 
>> the basis of the argument? Cocos islands are 3600 kms due west of Darwin. 
>> Darwin to Thailand is less distance - if it became a territory would we be 
>> adding all of their birds?
>>
>> I would be interested to hear the attitude of those who do believe these 
>> birds are valid on the Australian list because they are Australian 
>> Territories and if so what would be the difference if indeed we gained a new 
>> territory in a place like Sth America or Asia?
>>
>> And as Tom points out - do the French birders add New Caledonia birds 
>> because its a territory of theirs?
>>
>> Seems its great sport for our twitchers (and absolutely nothing wrong with 
>> that) - but a long bow for mine that they form part of the Australian bird 
>> list.
>>
>> But each to his own and great birding all.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> David Taylor
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/01/2011, at 10:32 AM, Carl Clifford wrote:
>>
>>> Tom,
>>>
>>> I heartily agree. You could almost say that birding on Christmas and Cocos 
>>> was SE Asian birding for xenophobes, except for the fact that the 
>>> population of Cocos is mainly Malay and the population of Christmas is 
>>> mainly Middle Eastern, albeit they are banged-up in a concentration camp
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Carl Clifford
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/01/2011, at 7:38 AM, Tom Tarrant wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Frank,
>>>
>>> I think you are missing the point regarding that comment, as exciting as
>>> Christmas and Cocos sound (I would love to go birding there!) they are not
>>> in the same faunal zone as Australia so many birders don't see the
>>> relevance. You may as well go New Caledonia and add those species to your
>>> 'French' list.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> And I remember there was a comment about the possible Short-toed Eagle in
>>>> Victoria being better than the rarities reported on Cocos and Christmas in
>>>> December.  Sorry.  Not even close!!!  I saw 11 new birds for my Australian
>>>> list, and I dipped on two.  Even Mike Carter added 9 birds to his 
>>>> Australian
>>>> list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> ********************************
>>> Tom Tarrant
>>> Kobble Creek, Qld
>>>
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>> David Taylor
>> Brisbane
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