Of course - but the ones I have seen then aggregate the divisions into a
country so you still end up with CI in your Aus list - sure you get a CI
list but if you do not want CI birds counted as Australian how would you
configure the software?
On 9 January 2011 13:23, Carl Clifford <> wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Most, if not all birding software allow you to create state or county
> lists, so if the software allows you to add C&C as states, you can do C7C as
> a state list, otherwise you can just create a county called Cocos or
> Christmas Island and make your list from there.
>
> Carl Clifford
>
>
>
> On 09/01/2011, at 1:14 PM, Dave Torr wrote:
>
> Depends on the software - the ones I looked at (some time ago I must admit)
> did not allow for the creation of new "countries" - which is what I guess
> you would have to call it - because if you said it was a territiory of Aus
> then it would add the birds to your Aus list. Of course I haven't looked at
> all birding software (and I ended up writing my own which does use
> political
> boundaries) - I would be interested to know if any commercially available
> software allows you to create a CI list and NOT have the birds added to
> your
> Aussie list!
>
> On 9 January 2011 13:06, david taylor <>
> wrote:
>
> Pretty easy Dave re recording - you create a list - Birds of Christmas
>> island!
>>
>>
>> On 09/01/2011, at 12:02 PM, Dave Torr wrote:
>>
>> I guess since the "official" list (whatever that means!) is C&B plus BARC
>> (and let us not re-open that discussion!) and they count these territories
>> then it is reasonable for Aussie birders to count the birds. And since
>> most
>> birding software that I have seen is based on country lists if you go to
>> Christmas and do not deem it to be part of Australia how do you record the
>> sightings?
>>
>> For better or worse the definitions of countries and territories are
>> fairly
>> static (and the questionable boundaries are usually not ones that birders
>> would to choose to visit) whereas I have seen various definitions of
>> faunal
>> regions and so we could then perhaps start a debate on which definition of
>> faunal regions we should use (please - no!) - and then I guess one gets
>> vagrants to a faunal region as well from the next region and people would
>> go
>> to the boundaries of a region in the hope of vagrants :-)
>>
>> On 9 January 2011 12:56, david taylor <
>> >wrote:
>>
>> Another who agrees - I would love to bird Christmas Island and the Cocos
>>> Islands but this recent notion that they are part of the Australian bird
>>> list is in my opinion flawed - they may be Australian Territories but are
>>> vast distances from Australia, Surley just because they are Australian
>>> territories does not make them Australian birds?
>>>
>>> I pose the scenario that if next year a country in South America became
>>> an
>>> Australian Territory that some of our twitchers would be adding Toucans
>>> to
>>> the Australian list - this may seem silly but in reality what is the
>>> difference in the two scenarios. I struggle too see how distance can form
>>> the basis of the argument? Cocos islands are 3600 kms due west of Darwin.
>>> Darwin to Thailand is less distance - if it became a territory would we
>>> be
>>> adding all of their birds?
>>>
>>> I would be interested to hear the attitude of those who do believe these
>>> birds are valid on the Australian list because they are Australian
>>> Territories and if so what would be the difference if indeed we gained a
>>> new
>>> territory in a place like Sth America or Asia?
>>>
>>> And as Tom points out - do the French birders add New Caledonia birds
>>> because its a territory of theirs?
>>>
>>> Seems its great sport for our twitchers (and absolutely nothing wrong
>>> with
>>> that) - but a long bow for mine that they form part of the Australian
>>> bird
>>> list.
>>>
>>> But each to his own and great birding all.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> David Taylor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/01/2011, at 10:32 AM, Carl Clifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Tom,
>>>>
>>>> I heartily agree. You could almost say that birding on Christmas and
>>>>
>>> Cocos was SE Asian birding for xenophobes, except for the fact that the
>>> population of Cocos is mainly Malay and the population of Christmas is
>>> mainly Middle Eastern, albeit they are banged-up in a concentration camp
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Carl Clifford
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 09/01/2011, at 7:38 AM, Tom Tarrant wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Frank,
>>>>
>>>> I think you are missing the point regarding that comment, as exciting as
>>>> Christmas and Cocos sound (I would love to go birding there!) they are
>>>>
>>> not
>>>
>>>> in the same faunal zone as Australia so many birders don't see the
>>>> relevance. You may as well go New Caledonia and add those species to
>>>>
>>> your
>>>
>>>> 'French' list.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And I remember there was a comment about the possible Short-toed Eagle
>>>>>
>>>> in
>>>
>>>> Victoria being better than the rarities reported on Cocos and Christmas
>>>>>
>>>> in
>>>
>>>> December. Sorry. Not even close!!! I saw 11 new birds for my
>>>>>
>>>> Australian
>>>
>>>> list, and I dipped on two. Even Mike Carter added 9 birds to his
>>>>>
>>>> Australian
>>>
>>>> list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>> ********************************
>>>> Tom Tarrant
>>>> Kobble Creek, Qld
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>> Brisbane
>>>
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