Aaargh! you are right. Mea culpa. It indeed should have been "not to
accept".
Out of interest, on who's taxonomy does BI base their list, or are
they making up their own?
Carl Clifford
On 31/10/2010, at 1:01 PM, Dave Torr wrote:
Do you mean "not to accept"?
I would agree except that as far as I know both organisations promote
the C&B list as their standard.
Should BA and BOCA merge then the current plan would have them
affiliated with Birdlife International, who maintain their own
International list (http://www.birdlife.org/datazone/species/taxonomy.html
). A (very) quick search appears to show that they do not accept the
White-naped split!
On 31 October 2010 12:24, Carl Clifford <> wrote:
Jen,
Thalassarche carteri is accepted by ION as a species, so there is no
reason for BA / BOCA to accept it as a species.
Cheers,
Carl Clifford
On 31/10/2010, at 11:22 AM, jenny spry wrote:
Hi all,
Following on from Dave’s comments, by default, we are already starting
to
use international lists for Australian purposes.
For example, BOCA and Birds Australia are currently participating in the
Birdlife International “Important Bird Area” project (IBA). This is an
international project where many countries around the world have
declared
certain areas “important” for the protection of “threatened species”.
These
areas are selected to protect habitat for birds listed on the IUCN Red
List
of Endangered Species. Australia has accepted the IUCN Red list and has
selected IBAs based on birds that are included on the IUCN Red list.
In most cases this is fine, but not always. Just to illustrate the
potential/actual conflicts, the IUCN recognizes the Indian Yellow-nosed
Albatross (*Thalassarche carteri* ) as a threatened species, not a race.
Races, threatened or otherwise, are not included in the IBA project,
only
species. This means that for our international participation with the
IBA
project, Birds Australia / BOCA treat *Thalassarche carteri* as a
species
but for local Australian purposes, using C & B 2008, *Thalassarche
carteri*is classified as a race of
*Thalassarche chlororhynchos*, not a full species.
Now, I agree that the Alboatross/Mollymawk group is a very contentious
group
but this example is just one and the situation could apply to other
Australian species both currently on, or eligible for listing with,
the IUCN
Red list.
Perhaps a solution is for BA/BOCA to constitute a group of people,
along the
lines of BARC (possibly including C & B if they are interested), to
assess
proposed changes as they arise. These changes could then be adopted as
updates to C & B 2008, without the need to totally rewrite the one list
every ten years or so.
Also, if there is any scientific / popular wish to keep using an
Australian
generated list, and I think there is especially in the selection of
Common
Names, then I believe our Australian generated list needs to be
maintained
before our international obligations send us to an internationally
generated
and maintained list, by default. For an example of this problem, in
general
communications here and elsewhere, *Melithreptus chloropsis* is already
attracting two common names, Western White-naped Honeyeater and Swan
River
White-naped Honeyeater.
Cheers
Jen
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dave Torr <> wrote:
Perhaps it is time for Australia to accept one of the International
taxonomies as our "official" (whatever that means) scheme. C&B will be
come
increasingly out of date as the rest of the world splits our species.
BARC clearly is an arbiter of "vagrants" and this is a totally separate
process from the taxonomy used.
On 30 October 2010 22:49, Carl Clifford <> wrote:
Hi Colin
Melithreptus chloropsis is listed as a full species on the ION (Index of
Organism Names) database, so it must be kosher. The ION is the
international
arbiter of Zoological and Mycological species and it is up to them to
decide
if a species stands or not.
I don't think there will be another edition of C&B, I think 2 editions
was
enough for them. It will probably be up to other authors to take up the
challenge. Perhaps it will appear in a new edition of HANZAB, but I
don't
think that will happen in the little tenure I have left on life.
Cheers,
Carl Clifford
On 30/10/2010, at 9:24 PM, Colin Scouler wrote:
Hello birders.
So, is the Swan River (or Western) Honeyeater now an official tick?
What's the procedure in between editions of Christidis and Boles?
Is this a matter for BARC to buy into?
Colin Scouler.
Begin forwarded message:
From: "Wedderburn Birding" <>
Date: 30 October 2010 12:44:37 PM
To: "'BIRDING-AUS'" <>, <
Subject: White-naped Honeyeater Split
Following previous discussion on Birding-Aus on the possible split, the
latest IOC list v 2.6 has split the White-naped Honeyeater (Melithreptus
lunatus) into the Swan River Honeyeater (Melithreptus chloropsis), which
occurs in SW Western Australia (N to Swan River Plain and Wheatbelt in
W).
Regards,
Bruce
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