Hi Chris,
Thanks for that. I was a bit surprised by a few posts and was about to send
out
a similar mail for clarification - but now there is no need!
Nikolas
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Nikolas Haass
Sydney, NSW
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From: Chris Sanderson <>
To: Tony Russell <>
Cc: Nikolas Haass <>; birding-aus <>
Sent: Wed, October 27, 2010 10:51:23 AM
Subject: NSW Ostriches
Tony,
As I'm sure you know, vagrants are treated differently only if they got
themselves here. For a deliberately introduced feral, Australian birders
typically use a "10 years breeding in the wild" rule, because it's easy,
however as Nikolas points out that may not always make sense for things like
Ostrich and Parrots which have long lifespans. However I think with birds
breeding in the wild, 10 years could be enough to produce 3 generations
(original birds having chicks which then have chicks etc.) as just because the
original adults haven't necessarily died yet doesn't mean their grandchildren
aren't already breeding successfully. So as far as I'm concerned, these
Ostriches are as viable as the Peafowl or Pheasants on Rottnest Island, or
Guineafowl wherever it is people can tick those. If you choose to tick ferals
(and why not? They are a part of Australia's fauna now), then I say go for
them!
Regards,
Chris
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Tony Russell <> wrote:
Looks like the three generation thing is out the window then - bit silly
>anyway and impossible to apply to vagrant birds.
>
>
>Tony
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:
>
> On Behalf Of John Tongue
>Sent: Tuesday, 26 October 2010 10:34 PM
>To: Nikolas Haass
>Cc: birding-aus
>Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] NSW Ostriches
>
>
>I wonder whether everyone will wait for three self-sustaining generations of
>Arabian Shearwaters in Australian Territory before ticking them?? :)
>
>John Tongue
>Ulverstone, Tas.
>
>
>On 26/10/2010, at 1:12 PM, Nikolas Haass wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> If you want to count introduced species (which in my personal opinion
>doesn't
>> really make sense), shouldn't you at least apply the "three generation
>rule" (=
>> 3
>>
>> proven self-sustaining generations)? For long-lived birds like Ostrich,
>this
>> means approximately 30-48 years of proven self-sustaining population.
>Thus, the
>> NSW Ostriches need another 10-28 years to become "tickable".
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Nikolas
>> ----------------
>> Nikolas Haass
>>
>> Sydney, NSW
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