Just to add my personal comment, rather than with my moderator hat on:
We are facing the prospect of being locked out of all Cheetham sites,
and most likely all the South Australian ones, because the owners are
concerned about birders not observing all their safety protocols, and
thereby exposing the company to legal action.
Quite a few property owners have refused access for birders because of
the actions of a small number of irresponsible visitors.
I'm in no way suggesting that Alex or anyone else on this forum is
irresponsible when visiting private property, but please remember that
access is a very delicate issue in many places. We all need to be
careful not to do anything - or even SAY anything - that might get
property owners offside about allowing birders to go on their property.
Now with the moderator hat on: I think this topic is closed unless
new information comes to light.
Thanks everyone
Russell Woodford
Birding-Aus List Owner
Geelong Victoria Australia
http://www.birding-aus.org
On 02/03/2009, at 8:25 AM, David Stowe wrote:
Gee .. how to win friends and influence people eh!
How insulting of you to urge Chris to get out of his comfort zone
and help the community! I think that Chris has indeed helped the
COMMUNITY Alex. He has obviously put alot of effort into gaining
access to an area and building a relationship so that he can do
regular wader counts. This surveys are very valuable to the birding
community and organisations such as the BA Atlas. Reporting a rarity
and getting great photos of the bird also helps the COMMUNITY.
Birding-Aus is part of the community too and i have enjoyed
immensely hearing about the bird and seeing the photos! If you
really cared about helping the community why do you only want BARC
to be told about it!
Face it, Chris' efforts ARE benefiting the community - Just not you
PERSONALLY!
He also already hinted that he is trying to see what he can do to
gain further access.
I'm sure you're email will no doubt urge him on to call you
personally as soon as this has been arranged. Wait by the phone!
Dave
On 02/03/2009, at 7:11 AM, Alex Farias wrote:
Hi,
So correct me if I’m wrong, it’s a private property… (Like many
where other twtichable rarities show up) and you just don’t want to
bother the owner….
Ok, I just not sure that you don’t get pleasure from gripping off
others… If you didn’t you would get out of you comfort zone and help
the community.
If you don’t want us to see it, next time there is no need to report
to everyone in the list with pictures, etc… only the rarities
committee should know.
I usually a very friendly guy, but lifers are hard to come by this
days, and when a duffer it’s showing off that he saw the third or
fourth record of a BBS in Australia, posting pictures and a note:
“by the way folks, I’m the only one allowed to see it, please don’t
ask me where I saw it”. It’s kind of upsetting.
Regards,
Alex
________________________________
From: Chris Barnes <>
To: Chris Sanderson <>; Alex Farias
<
>; Birding Aus <>
Sent: Sunday, 1 March, 2009 6:55:56 PM
Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] Buff-breasted Sandpiper
Thanks Chris,
I was wondering how to tackle this inevitable debate. It’s not a
military area but access to the site is for surveys only at this
stage & carry strict regulations. No viewing areas from public roads
exist. As one who has gained the trust of the folk who run it, I am
not willing to compromise this. At this stage no access will be
allowed during the working week. If there is the possibility of
getting in later, I will let everyone know when & if I get the go
ahead. I don’t get pleasure from gripping off others & would love
everyone who wants to see this bird have a chance at it. It is a
wader tho & at this time of year anything could happen.
Apologies for the anguish this might cause. I know how I’d feel if
it were a Nordmann’s Greenshank! I did think twice about reporting
it for this reason but suppressing it wouldn’t have been looked
kindly upon either.
Cheers,
Chris.
________________________________
From:Chris Sanderson
Sent: Sunday, 1 March 2009 10:29 AM
To: Alex Farias; Chris Barnes; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Buff-breasted Sandpiper
Alex,
My guess is that Chris has been granted permission to access a
sensitive area (military perhaps?) that no one else is likely to be
granted access to for any reason. Knowing where the bird is would
only tempt people to break in so why give them that temptation?
Regards,
Chris
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Tony Russell
<> wrote:
I wish he was kidding but I don't think so.
-----Original Message-----
From:
On Behalf Of Alex Farias
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 8:15 AM
To: Chris Barnes; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Buff-breasted Sandpiper
Chris,
You Kidding, right?
Why it is not twichtable?
rgs
Alex
________________________________
From: Chris Barnes <>
To: Birding Aus <>
Sent: Saturday, 28 February, 2009 6:14:17 PM
Subject: [Birding-Aus] Buff-breasted Sandpiper
Hi all,
This morning had a Buff-breasted Sandpiper in Bundaberg (SEQld) for
2.5
hrs with Nev Cap ell whilst doing a regular count. It was eventually
put
off by a sea-eagle & has not been seen since. Unfortunately the area
has
restricted access & the bird will not be twitchable so please don't
ask
me for specific site details.
Chris
Ps I have got pictures but contact me if interested rather than send
to
the B-Aus list please.
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