re: whats in a name

To: Lawrie Conole <>,
Subject: re: whats in a name
From: Nikolas Haass <>
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:59:35 -0800 (PST)
Just FYI the German name for Comb-crested Jacana is Kammblatthühnchen (Kamm = 
Comb; Blatt = Leaf; Hühnchen = Little Chicken)
Therefore it is a little chicken with a comb (on its head) that walks around on 
(floating) leaves!



Nikolas Haass

Sydney, NSW

----- Original Message ----
From: Lawrie Conole <>
Cc: Birding Aus <>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 1:39:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] re: whats in a name

Andrew Taylor wrote:
> Markgraf was a German employed on a Dutch expedition to an area of NE
> Brazil then under Dutch control.  Markgraf might have been given the
> names by Portugese speakers - the area was formerly under Portugese
> control - but as a naturalist he presumably spent a great deal of time
> with indigenous people so isn't the simplest explanation  that he
> heard the names directly?  

Hi Andrew

The Portuguese colonised the NE of Brazil soon after they first found 
the place in 1500, and had about 120-130 years open go before the Dutch 
invaded part of the NE coast and ruled over it from the 1630s until they 
were turfed out in about 1644.  The process of incorporation of 
Tupi-Guarani vocabulary into Portuguese was pretty well in full swing by 
then (and the Tupi-Guarani themselves much reduced in numbers and 
influence) by the 1620s. 

The form of /jaçanã/ (apparently from Tupi /jaçanam/ = 'one who cries 
out' & in Portuguese pronounced much like /jaçanã/) is unmistakably 
Portuguese, and would have been rendered quite differently by a  Dutch 
or German person - quite probably beginning it with 'dj' as they did 
with various Malay words.

So I think Markgraf's informants were most likely Portuguese speaking 
Brazilians - possibly including both Europeans and Indians.



Lawrie Conole
28 Reid St
Northcote, Victoria 3070

0419 588 993


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