Fw: [Birding-Aus] John Young and his Parrots

["Andrew Stafford" <>]

on behalf of Jeff Davies, who is having trouble posting this message:


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Davies 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:24 AM
> To: 
> Subject: RE: [Birding-Aus] John Young and his Parrots
>
>
> Tony, you seem to have missed the point Andrew Stafford and I are making. 
> John Young has released the photograph publicly and after scrutiny by the 
> leading expert in Australia on photo forgery it was found to have 
> problems. John Young was asked to present the raw file so this could be 
> sorted out and he hasn't responded. Why are you shocked and disappointed 
> that we are responding logically to something John initiated by going 
> public with this photo in the first place. The image that appeared in the 
> Courier Mail was high resolution so we are not just passing judgment over 
> the low res. image posted on his website. There is no "benefit of the 
> doubt" to give, because the photo is out there and he needs to explain 
> away the problems that have been found. There is nothing for John to say 
> "sorry folks, my mistake" about if this goes the wrong way for him, 
> because, well do I really have to spell it out to you. We are only 
> "badgering him to release other material if it helps explain something 
> that is already in the public domain. This "conjecture" has arisen by John 
> presenting a photo (evidence) for what is essentially a scientific claim. 
> All scientific claims must be subject to peer group scrutiny with all data 
> available for review.
Cheers Jeff

> -----Original Message-----
> From: 
>  On Behalf Of Tony Russell
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:14 AM
> To: Birds
> Subject: [Birding-Aus] John Young and his Parrots
>
>
> I have just re-read the report of John's findings on his website "John 
> Young
> Wildlife Enterprises" to refresh my mind as to what all the current fuss 
> is
> about. I have also reviewed most of the  tittle tattle as to John's
> credibility currently being bandied about on this net.
>
> I must say I find myself shocked and disappointed that there seem to be 
> some
> among us so determined to tarnish the name of such a highly regarded
> naturalist without anything to go on other than the fact that he is 
> playing
> things close to his chest and hasn't yet revealed the full details or
> evidence ( presuming he has some) of his reported find(s).
> Is this suspicion born of envy or yet another example of how we in Oz just
> like to tear down tall poppies?
> Hey, let's give the guy the benefit of the doubt until he deems it
> appropriate to either tell us more or pull his head in and say sorry 
> folks,
> my mistake. Let's stop being so impatient. Even if he backs down we
> shouldn't lose our respect for him.
> My bet is that he's either sitting at home feeling sorry and embarrassed 
> at
> having made a mistake and wondering how he can rescue the situation, or he
> knows he's on safe ground and laughing his head off at all the petty
> nitpicking.
> I don't believe that any amount of badgering is going to get him to 
> disclose
> anything further in public until he is good and ready, so instead of
> insisting that he "put up or shut up" why don't we just shut up ourselves
> and wait for his next revelation, whichever way it goes.
> Don't we owe him enough respect and patience for that? If he is indeed on 
> to
> something good I'm sure we'll hear about it eventually.
> Until he does tell us more all the positive or negative conjecture in the
> world isn't doing any good for anyone, not even those who like the sound 
> of
> their own voices, but least of all for the reputation of Australian 
> birders
> in the rest of the world.
>
> Tony.
>
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